please help me figure it out

babecwgirl · #1 01/02/06, 08:57 AM

i have boer goats & pygmy goats.which are in totally different pens.i have had 5 goats to have a abortion or miscarrage whatever u want to call it.. i feed 16% feed.. i worm regular.. after they lost babies i checked mouth and eyes did not look wormy but could some one tell me what is wrong i live in southeast texas..i also have out mineral blocks and sulfur and gave bose at 6 weeks before due date ..nannies have lost babies less than 2months due date and all over year old please help me figure out what to do..linda

mammawof3 · #2 01/02/06, 09:48 AM

That many does not sound like it would be based on nutrition issues, more like you got something going on-is there any way you can submit a "fetus" too your vet to have it checked for the reason? With that many, it really ought to be done. I believe Chlymadia causes late term abortion, there are other things-do you have alot of cats that could be using your hay, etc. for a litter box? Seems like you can stop some abortion storms w/terramyacin(?) but not sure on that-hopefully someone w/more knowledge on this will jump in here. I would be careful too wear gloves, ect. when removing any of this aborted tissue, as some things can cause serious issues in humans also! i hope you get this figured out, so you can "enjoy" your kidding season-not dread each day!!

homebirtha · #3 01/02/06, 10:05 AM

This is probably some kind of infection that your goats are passing along to each other. You could have a necropsy done the next time one miscarries to find out what you're dealing with.

You will also want to separate out the ones who are or have miscarried, just in case it's not too late to protect the rest, although they are probably already infected.

babecwgirl · #4 01/02/06, 10:07 AM

no cats... and how would u know when to give terramyacin and how much?...
i have had other births just fine.... but t.y for ur message and time

AllWolf · #5 01/02/06, 10:16 AM

babecwgirl

I hate to hear of this. I know there is a disease that one goat can get and spread to others that will cause them have miscarriages. This disease can cause all kinds of trouble. Brucellosis can cause goats to miscarry and plus it happens in sheep as well. Also if you have some does that love to fight maybe causeing the miscarriages also. You need to find out if your goats have that by getting in contact with a vet.

Good Luck on your goats.

Jillis · #6 01/02/06, 04:00 PM

Do all of your goats use the mineral block? I have heard that goats do better with loose minerals specific for goats, not for goats AND sheep...because goats need copper...and a lot of goats don't like the block.
I have been reading about copper deficiency because my goats seem to be suffering from it. One of the causes of lots of abortions can stem from a copper deficiency...
I am a complete newbie at this, but I was just reading about it so I figured it woudln't hurt to examine all the possibilities...

mammawof3 · #7 01/02/06, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by babecwgirl

no cats... and how would u know when to give terramyacin and how much?...
i have had other births just fine.... but t.y for ur message and time

Go too http://fiascofarm.com/
type in "abortion"-they have info. on causes ect.
lots of good info on their site!

Goat Freak · #8 01/02/06, 06:06 PM

Just wanted to say sorry, and that I wll be praying that all the miscarriages stop occuring. I am so sorry, we had one of our does have a miscarriage recently and it REALLY stunk for me because I was hopeing for a little girl that looked just like her. Good Luck, bye.

moonspinner · #9 01/02/06, 06:07 PM

I have no experience with losing kids to abortion but my first thought would be chlamydia. Since this is happening with several does it does sound like some contagion going on, unless the nutrition is severely lacking.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #10 01/02/06, 06:09 PM

Please feel free to call me 281-592-3039 leave a message or try at 281-692-6914.

You are having an abortion storm, lots of questions, eaiser to track this down on the phone.

Are the does aborting bred to the same buck? Usually the buck breeds one doe who is either infected with toxo...mycoplasma or chlamydia and then infects himself, and the next doe etc...or if a large group of does aborts all at the same time, bred to several bucks it's likely listerosis. Are you using hay for bedding, we are notorious for having listerosis outbreaks in the winter due to the does digging in hay or straw bedding. Mold causes the outbreaks and you never know how many or if all your does will abort.

All feed stores carry tetracycline crumbles, auromycin and all the names for it are all tetracylcline. Put your whole herd on it. If this is a specific buck who spread it through the does, than use injections on him and crumbles. A blood test can eaisly explain what is going on.

Be careful touching any of the kids or exude, burn it all.

The does who did not abort are likely immune to what has happened to them, and if any of the three disease above (not listerosis) will not abort, although new goats living on the farm may their first kidding there as will kids who do not recieve colostrum from the immune does (they may well anyway). You can't just let this go, because without antibiotic treatment it will be something that happens to you every year with all your new goats and babies, and any goats your buck bred.

If listerosis, give me a call. Vicki

Sweet Goats · #11 01/03/06, 11:09 AM

babecwgirl,
My vet told me NOT to give a Bo-SE shot to the goats while they are in there last trimester or it will cause a abortion or still births. It is safe to give them the shot on the first trimester or before they are bred, but NEVER in the last. The vet also said I could give the BO-SO to the mom and babies after they are born. I believe the bottle even says it or the paper insert.
I am so sorry.

susanne · #12 01/03/06, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Goats

babecwgirl,
My vet told me NOT to give a Bo-SE shot to the goats while they are in there last trimester or it will cause a abortion or still births. It is safe to give them the shot on the first trimester or before they are bred, but NEVER in the last. The vet also said I could give the BO-SO to the mom and babies after they are born. I believe the bottle even says it or the paper insert.
I am so sorry.

that is wrong. bo-se does not cause abortion. most breeder give the bo-se two to three weeks before kidding and so do i. thousends of goats get the shot. if there would be the risk of abortion you would hear much more of it.
it is much more likely listeriosis, toxoplasmosis, clamydia or something like this.

babecwgirl · #13 01/06/06, 07:57 PM

Thanks for all the input of my goat help question ... but thank God if was nothing transmitting... My goats are clean no dieases... i am very cautious and caring for my goats... i took a pregnant goat in and the one that miscarried the babies.... the only thing vet found was slightly selium defiecit and i also have a hitter nanny.. which i now have sold

But do thank you all for your input.... i always quarintine when i bring in new goats so i new it was nothing as for as a dieases was concerned....im too cautious over my babies( my goats)...

Misty · #14 01/06/06, 09:16 PM

an autopsy for chlamydia takes more than a couple days. Our lab for CSU is down the road 30 minutes and I wait a week for results on a posted kid. It sounds to me like chlamydia may be a good possibility. Vickie's post is right on. I would give everyone a shot of biomycin. If it is chlamydia, it will stop it. Keep the terrimycin in the water like Vickie said....It may not be the cause...but dead kids don't make money, I would try to stop whatever it is in it's tracks now.

homebirtha · #15 01/07/06, 09:28 AM

How did you find this out? It seems like a pretty sweeping generalization to say the goats are clean of all diseases. Was a necropsy done? What all did the vet do?

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Originally Posted by babecwgirl

Thanks for all the input of my goat help question ... but thank God if was nothing transmitting... My goats are clean no dieases...

Teacupliz · #16 01/07/06, 09:33 AM

Two things you can do easy to help prevent this is. Give Terrmycin in the water. 2 months, and 4 months during pregancey. Also Lepto 5 shots. Both of these deseases can be carried by mice, rats and birds.

I am sorry for your losses.. Liz

PS I give Bo-Se at 2-3 wks befor ethey kid for the last 10 year no problem at all.