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Old 12/13/05, 07:15 AM
 
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Bottle or dam-raise?

We're debating how to raise this year's Lamancha kids. Do we pasturize and bottle-feed or let the does feed them?

They have tested CAE and CL free. It sure would be easier to let the does take care of them. BUT, I think it will make it harder to sell the doe kids if they haven't been raised on CAE- and CL-prevention. And I've also heard that it will decrease milk supply in the long run.

What are your thoughts and what do you do?
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Old 12/13/05, 08:13 AM
 
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I would say it's about 50/50 in the goat world between keepers who dam raise and those who bottle feed. Pros and cons both ways. Certainly the bottle babies are friendly from the getgo; with mom raised kids you've got to put more energy into that pet aspect. If you CAE test you should be okay to dam raise. I've not bottle fed enough to speak on the milk production question. As for sales, I can only speak on nigerians and I have no problem selling my dam raised kids. But keep in mind I put a LOT of time into the kids to give them "petability." I've found the first five days are critical to give them enough attention that they will be people-oriented. I have found my bottle feds to be a tad more "needy." Still, it's tough to argue with the bottle feds.
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Old 12/14/05, 12:37 AM
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I am a die hard "dam-raiser". For one thing, I can't stand the clingy-neediness of bottle kids- they're annoying, and they sometimes never grow out of it!! Then there are the growth issues....dam raised grow faster and fit into the main herd better. Bottle babies get picked on a lot and can't really fend for themselves. There is the hassle of bottle feeding....I could go on and on....

And the thing that really irks me is this: I did all the pasteurized bottle feeding baloney, even on the kids that were from test negative does, and I always brought the milk just to a boil, so I *know* it was hot enough...but a number of them ended up testing CAE positive!! Moreover, the doe who originally infected my (formerly longtime CAE negative in spite of years of dam raising) herd was a bottle baby raised on the prevention program.

I don't know what the answers are about CAE anymore. I used to think I did, and now I'm just not so sure as I used to be. The truly strange thing is that all my positive animals have been asymptomatic and look just as good as the negative ones. They all produce well, too.

I wish they would do more research on CAE....I am inclined to think we haven't seen the entire picture yet....

By the way- dam raising will not decrease the milk production if you milk the doe twice a day and fed her the usual amount. In fact, when you wean the kids, the does are producing MORE milk than they ever would have on twice a day milking, because the kids have been demanding it umpteen times a day... I can take my does to a show and they walk into the ring with just 12 hours of milk....and the judges have called them over-uddered. They have less time of milk than any of the other does there, but mine are not used to having 12 hours of milk at once! You do have to milk them 2X a day though...otherwise the kids don't drain the udder evenly and the supply in the less favored half goes down and makes it look lopsided.

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Old 12/14/05, 08:19 PM
 
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Do you plan to show your goats? If you leave the kids on the does there is the chance their udders wil become uneven. Also, doelings are easier to show if they are bottle fed. I bottle raise some of my babies and dam raise others. My husband doesn't want to milk the whole herd twice a day, so if a yearling freshens with an udder I don't want for show, I let her raise her kids. My boers and Nigerians aslo raise their kids.
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