CL bump to burst time line

[Key]

Still watching one of my Alpines with a quarter-size, soft bump on her underbelly in front of her udder. I wrote about it a few months ago here, but no change, so the question is.....in your expereince, how long does it take CL lumps to rupture (weeks from lump appearance until lump oozing)? I've read every article I can find on CL, but my time line lasted anywhere. Since it is an immune response, I am sure it is different from animal to animal, but how about a general guess for an otherwise healthy, happy doe?

[crazygoatgirl]

Do you know for sure that this doe is CL positive? On the belly in front of the udder is not a normal spot for the Abcesses. Does she have scars from previous abcesses? Sorry I wasn't here to read the original posts. Do you have a pic that you could share? All abcesses are not CL, if she has never had an abcess before it is not likely that this is a CL abcess. She very well could have laid on something or I had 2 does this year that were bitten by Brown Recluse Spiders that the bite site abcessed. The does spoken of are CL neg and have been everytime they have been tested.

[mygoat]

far as I know, you don't want it to burst. Doesn't it stay in the soil for a long, long time, infecting all other goats exposed?

[Key]

No, I didn't have her tested...I spoke to my vet about it months ago once it showed up which seemed like overnight. He said to watch it, make note of changes, but nothing has changed. I DEFINIETLY DO NOT want it to burst....but it has not shown any change, but I will treat it if it looks like it would get to that point. My children are around the goats ALL them time, so I certianly put their saftey first. I am hoping since it is at a strange location (not a main lymph node spot) that it is NOT CL. I purchased her in April and I think this lump showed up around June. She came from a place though that the woman knew nothing about goats...she was just using her as part of a navitiy scene with llamas, camels, etc. once a year.

[Key]

does anyone know the usual time frame?????????

[susanne]

i don't know the time frame but it is certainly not months. i think what your does has is a hernia. do you have horned goats? could she have been butted from another animal? did the vet look at it or only heard what you told him?

[Key]

No, at the time I noticed the abbcess, I didn't have any horned goats in my herd. The Alpine with the lump is a fighter though and a squirelly escape artist, too. The vet seemed to think it may be a hernia from what I told him and becasue it was very soft from the begnning. He told me CL lumps usually get soft as they ripen. Is there any treatment, nonsurgical, for a hernia, does anyone know? Could this doe carry babies again without hurting herself if it is a hernia?
I definetely would not allow my children to walk around even a day with an abcess, but we are talking about my goats. Big difference.

[susanne]

Originally Posted by Key

No, at the time I noticed the abbcess, I didn't have any horned goats in my herd. The Alpine with the lump is a fighter though and a squirelly escape artist, too. The vet seemed to think it may be a hernia from what I told him and becasue it was very soft from the begnning. He told me CL lumps usually get soft as they ripen. Is there any treatment, nonsurgical, for a hernia, does anyone know? Could this doe carry babies again without hurting herself if it is a hernia?
I definetely would not allow my children to walk around even a day with an abcess, but we are talking about my goats. Big difference.

still think it is a hernia but to be honest it shouldn't make any difference. the goat can feel pain too. if you don't want to spend money on the doe bring her to the butcher.

[Key]

Money is an issue to everyone I know including my family, and that doesn't mean I am neglectful to my happy and healthy animals. I did what the vet said to do, I am with her several times a day and I can tell you the goat is happily frolicking around and cudding with no ill side effects or temp. from this small lump. Send her to the butcher? I could, but I don't want to. That is why I asked here for a time frame of CL since I never had an incidence of it. My children, as I have already said, love this animal. So much for "neighborly help"...

[Teacupliz]

sorry but it can cost you mose to keep a goat with CL then to just cut your ties and start agian. Buy from a farmer ask lots of question. I know I sell my goats reasonable to families for pets. Good clean healthy goats. I just refuse to keep a Cl goat.
I know you are not sure it has CL but if you keep it you need to get Pen G- bleach spray bottle, rubber gloves,iodine, Peroxide and syringes just to name a few items. When it does get ready to pop you must put her alone. Clean out the sore, squeeze out all the puss, burn everything the puss gets on. Wash the sore with peroxied and PenG. These lumps will come back agian and again. You can tell when they will pop as the hair starts to pull away at the cap.
Nobody wants to mean but some of us feel you can not controll CL. It is cheaper to just start over then to contaminate you farm

Liz
Teacup Farm

[susanne]

bad idea to even keep a goat with cl and children which obviously have contact to this animal.
if this was my goat i would have it tested or at least go to the vet and have him look at it. i certainly would not wait for month for it to burst.
do you know that cl is contagious to humans too? so, why gamble?

[mygoat]

well, first you need to get it tested. Just waiting around for it to burst is bad, because if it is cl, it is going to spred to all your animals, and it will stay in your soil for a long time, infecting all future animals as well. It wouldn't take much to get it tested and it would save you alot in the long run. If it is't cl, great. If it is, consider putting the animal to sleep. I would put one of my goats to sleep if it was cl, even though all my goats are pets and are loved dearly. I couldn't and wouldn't risk spreading the disease. Good for you to do what your vet says, but sometimes it isn't enough. And there could be something else wrong as well that has nothing to do with cl. You will never know untill you test it. Sometimes animals do not act sick when they really are. My doe has mastitis and she never went off feed or acted sick this whole time.
Hope I helped

[Jillis]

Don't be insulted, but your vet should know definitively whether or not that is a hernia! Mine palpated and there was a lump, but no opening into the abdominal wall. She then attempted to aspirate the lump with a needle, and got very thick, almost solid pus, with a little bloody serum.
She took the doeling into her back room, numbed the area and opened it, cleaned it out and left it open to drain. I had to clean it twice a day with a mixture of water and iodine, and give her penicillin shots twice a day for five days...the vet not knowing would worry me...

[Shazza]

I have never heard of this before...and reading all the posts am awfully glad we dont have this in Australia.