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Old 11/24/11, 03:33 AM
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This has to be some kind of world record!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHaWM...ature=youtu.be
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Old 11/24/11, 11:05 AM
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That's amazing.
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Old 11/24/11, 11:17 AM
 
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It is amazing, and I love Friesians, but I can't help but also think "Why?" when I was watching it.

I remember seeing photos (and the wagons) of the 20-mule teams that hauled the borax wagons from Death Valley to Mojave, CA, a 165 mile haul over the Panamint Mountains, a 20 day round trip.

There are photos and more information here http://www.scvhistory.com/scvhistory...20muleteam.htm and you can scroll down to "Teamwork" for more information on how they were hitched and driven.

Now those were well trained teams ... and really competent 'muleskinners' ... in the six years borax was hauled in this manner, before a rail line was built, not one single mule was lost.
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Old 11/24/11, 10:08 PM
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Thanks for that link Sharon. This was my favorite quote from it.

Swinging the team around a curve in a mountain pass tested both driver and team: one mistake could spell death for all. As the team started around a sharp curve, the chain tended to be pulled into a straight line between the lead mules and the wagon. To keep the chain going around the curve and not pull the team straight over the edge, some of the mules were ordered to leap the chain and pull at an angle away from the curve. These mules — the pointers, sixes and eights — would step along sideways until the corner had been turned. Swinging a curve successfully was an awesome demonstration of training and teamwork.
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Yikes. Those certainly weren't well enough behaved to be in harness. The driver didn't think so either, or there wouldn't have been grooms hanging on their heads, or running along nervously ready to grab them.

The lead horse was pulling and the 3 in the very back at least had their traces taught and the rest of them were just along for the outing and not in the harness at all.

A very dangerous and foolish stunt that could have turned into a real disaster. My guess is that only 4 of the horses were properly trained to harness and the lead horse behaved badly enough that he shouldn't have been driven in public at all.
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Thanks for that link Sharon. This was my favorite quote from it.

Swinging the team around a curve in a mountain pass tested both driver and team: one mistake could spell death for all. As the team started around a sharp curve, the chain tended to be pulled into a straight line between the lead mules and the wagon. To keep the chain going around the curve and not pull the team straight over the edge, some of the mules were ordered to leap the chain and pull at an angle away from the curve. These mules — the pointers, sixes and eights — would step along sideways until the corner had been turned. Swinging a curve successfully was an awesome demonstration of training and teamwork.
I can remember my father telling me about some of the teams he worked with on a road-building crew in western MT in the late 30s. They had 6 and 8 horse teams and were working in the mountains on the big earth-movers and he talked about one of the teamsters that had teams that would jump the chain on command to get around the curves. He grew up with draft teams, of course, but said he'd never seen anything like those road crew teams.
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Yikes. Those certainly weren't well enough behaved to be in harness. The driver didn't think so either, or there wouldn't have been grooms hanging on their heads, or running along nervously ready to grab them.

The lead horse was pulling and the 3 in the very back at least had their traces taught and the rest of them were just along for the outing and not in the harness at all.

A very dangerous and foolish stunt that could have turned into a real disaster. My guess is that only 4 of the horses were properly trained to harness and the lead horse behaved badly enough that he shouldn't have been driven in public at all.
I respectfully disagree with most of what you said above.

While the animals were certainly quite high-spirited, I didn't think they were out-of-control. I can see why they would have headers while navigating the crowd on the way to the field, particularly at the beginning where the driver's field of vision was poor. I think a fair amount of the initial fussing-about was due to the fact that the horses were getting mixed signals from the driver and the header before everything was lined-out. The lead animal was clearly frustrated initially, but he looked to me to be a good horse.

Now, watch it again. When the driver makes an arc, pick a static point on the ground and watch how each horse passes that point, maintaining the arc rather than the horses simply cutting the corner or fanning. Maintaining that arc is hard enough with TWO horses... I cannot fathom the skill required to do it with 14.

In order to make that arc, the lines that go to the side of the horse that corresponds to the inside of the arc must be tightened in sequence. As each horse reaches the begining of the curve of the arc, his line must be shortened to get him to begin the turn. If each horse was merely following the one ahead of him, each horse would be cutting the corner just a hair sooner than the one ahead of him. The flow of the arc demonstrates the skill that the driver posesses.

Also, notice that the fellow is driving coach style... all the lines held in the left hand, the whip held in the right. The right hand will pluck and adjust the lines held in the left.

When driving a tandem in show or demonstration, the lead horse is not supposed to be in draft. I don't know why that is, but there you have it. The only animal that is in draft is the one between the shafts. The lead horse should be out on the lines, of course, but his traces should not be taut.

As for it being dangerous and foolish, I don't know if I can argue with that. There are times when I feel it might be nearly negligent for a person to take any team out in public, regardless of how well-behaved and well-trained they are. They aren't robots and stuff happens, particularly in harness.
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Here's a good video that shows how the mules jump the chain to keep the tongue straight. This is what happens when everyone is in draft. If the Friesians in that video had all been in draft, they would have turned the front axle of the carriage long before it reached the beginning of the arc.

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Old 11/25/11, 06:44 AM
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Here's a good video that shows how the mules jump the chain to keep the tongue straight. This is what happens when everyone is in draft. If the Friesians in that video had all been in draft, they would have turned the front axle of the carriage long before it reached the beginning of the arc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRGmk...eature=related
Nicely trained animals.
And I love, just love animals that still do real draft work.

Once I drove a team of 6 with a stage coach, that was a whole lot of work. Couldn't imagine driving that big a team but it is sure cool to watch.

Me,, I am happy just to drive one mini now a days. VBG
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This is super cool. I don't understand the language, but is that lady bawling because she's so moved by the horses??
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Old 11/25/11, 01:50 PM
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And I don't know about the Friesians being a possible record, but this one has the certificate to prove it...

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Here's a good video that shows how the mules jump the chain to keep the tongue straight. This is what happens when everyone is in draft. If the Friesians in that video had all been in draft, they would have turned the front axle of the carriage long before it reached the beginning of the arc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRGmk...eature=related
That was fascinating. I'd never seen this actually done before.
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Old 11/26/11, 12:07 AM
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I thought the lead horse was a bit "hot" until I saw the whole group move, then I saw that he was absolutely beautiful. His style and carriage and sheer presence made him my favorite horse and he behaved without any hiccup once the show was "on the road". That was quite a display, very impressive. Now I'll have to watch some of the other videos too!
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