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Unread 06/25/15, 02:43 PM
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Advice on downed calf (Long - sorry)

Hello, hoping to get a little advice on a sick calf. I will share her history and try to be as brief yet detailed as possible: I have a 4 month old Holstein calf that I purchased from a very large dairy farm here in Ohio. According to the kid I bought her from she was his "best calf" (it turned out that after dealing with her constant sickness for a couple months I called him and he finally admitted that he got her from his neighbor the morning that I picked her up and had no history on her - seems that he didn't want to sell one if his calves and tried to make some extra money by selling me this calf from a neighbors farm. Who knows.). The day after bringing her home she got sick, runny nose, scours, mucousy cough and all that. I treated her for pneumonia and she seemed to get better until a couple weeks later she had a 106 temperature so I had the vet come out. Prior to that I called the same vet and he instructed me to give her a round of penicillin, which I did and it seemed to help. When he came out he gave her a long acting antibiotic and said that it wasn't her lungs but an infection in her throat. Again, she seemed to get mostly better but had an occasional cough that was pretty mucousy after drinking her bottle. I was again instructed to give her another round of penicillin. I would occasionally call the vet and ask him questions but he just said that some calves tend to have that and that she will probably get better with time - especially once it warms up. Over the time that I was bottle/bucket feeding her, it took awhile to get her to start eating solids. I finally got her to start eating hay, then pasture, then weaned her off of milk replacer. She has never really eaten much grain even though I provided it to her daily. She would nibble at it then ignore it - regardless of me adding molasses and trying multiple kinds of grain and starter feed. More recently, she had just been on pasture with the other cows and seemed to be doing fine apart from the coughing and occasional heavy breathing. She never really had much energy though. Over the past two weeks I noticed that she looked a little thin and was considering calling the vet again but thought I'd give it a couple more days. I gave her a vitamin B-complex shot on Saturday and Sunday. On Sunday, she laid down in the pasture and hasn't been able to get up since. I called a different vet this time and he came out on Monday morning. He gave her quite a few shots - selenium, steroid, and something else and instructed me to give her a shot of 10 ML of Thiamine every morning for a few days to see if she improves. By this point her breathing was almost always labored and very mucousy sounding- she also coughed a lot and would occasional pant like a dog after drinking or eating. I told him about my experience with the other vet and he disagreed with most of what that vet did - in hindsight, I wish that I would have called this vet the first time. He said that her lungs sound like they're "burnt up". Today is day 4 after the vet visit and she isn't doing any worse but not doing better either. I still cannot get her to stand. She is eating and drinking though and seems to be more aware and awake that she has been the past couple days. I talked to the vet this morning and he thinks that, at this point, it's probably best to put her down. After this very long story, my question is...does anyone have any last minute ideas or experience with this? I planned to put her down myself this evening but wanted to see if there were any other ideas that I can try before giving up on her. I realize that in a large cattle operation, she would have been culled probably right after birth but we only raise about 2-3 cattle at a time just for meat for ourselves. We grass and hay feed our cows which is why we tried a bottle calf for the first time. It's hard to find a 6 month old steer or heifer that hadn't been grain fed it's whole life. Nothing against it - we just prefer grass fed. Right now she is actually eating a decent amount of grain which is surprising but I think it's only because she can't get up to graze. She is also eating hay..and I'm not sure if this is a good idea, but I have been giving her milk replacer again in the mornings and evenings which she gets very excited for. I figured that it might help to get some calories in her. Again, not sure if that is a good idea or not but figured that I'd give it a try. Sorry that this is so long, let me know what you think. Should I put her down now, or try something else and give her a little more time? Thanks!
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Unread 06/25/15, 03:31 PM
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If she lives she'll be a "poor doer" for life, but it doesn't mean she won't manage to make it butchering age. Just won't be the star of your freezer and will take longer to get her there. If her lungs were damaged from pneumonia (my guess) that's a hard one for a small calf to recover from and it's just going to take a long time.

If you don't want to fool with her any more, yes, put her down, but if you are inclined to keep working with her, I'd say her excitement for food is a very good sign. Any animal that wants to eat has a chance.
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Thanks Jennifer, I agree and am willing to see how she does even if it takes her longer to fill out. My main concern is that she cannot get up off of the ground. If she was standing now, I wouldn't be considering putting her down (unless she seemed to be in pain) - I'm just not sure if she has a chance to especially since she has been down for 5 days now. Thanks for the reply!
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The second vet administered Selenium. Did he say anything about white muscle disease? If she is deficient in Selenium that could be the reason she can't get up. The shots he gave will help this, but it may take a few more days. I've raised a calf that sounds very much like yours. The vet told us that she had chronic Bovine Respiratory Disease and would never do well. It took about a week after the Selenium for her to stand on her own. After that she did well and gained some weight, but she never lost her cough. If she ran around at all her nose would start to run with white mucous (it's really snot, I know, but that sounded gross) and she would have a coughing fit. She never really got as big as she should have. We finally sold her to a guy who thought he could do something with her, but I think he just butchered her when she was about 14 months old.
The pneumonia causes scarring and abscesses on the lungs, which is probably what your vet meant by "burnt up". So, she may get up and do ok, but like Jennifer L said, she'll probably be a poor doer.
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Sorry but I tried to read your long post but it is virtually illegible with out paragraph breaks.
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I read it fine. Cooper13 was asking for help, not literary criticism. 'Without' is one word.
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Not a cow expert, but I say as long as the critter is eating, drinking, and not in pain I'd give it a go or at least wait till all the drugs get out of it's system and have some veal.
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I read it fine. Cooper13 was asking for help, not literary criticism. 'Without' is one word.
If one can not read what the OP posted then one can not give an appropriate response to help them.
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If one can not read what the OP posted then one can not give an appropriate response to help them.
Then perhaps one should just hush. 'Cannot' is one word.
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Then perhaps one should just hush. 'Cannot' is one word.
Okay Spelling Nazi. Can not and Cannot are both acceptable forms for the same meaning.
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Cooper13, sorry for totally hijacking your thread. I will now hush myself.
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Hello, hoping to get a little advice on a sick calf.

I will share her history and try to be as brief yet detailed as possible:
I have a 4 month old Holstein calf that I purchased from a very large dairy farm here in Ohio.


According to the kid I bought her from she was his "best calf"
(it turned out that after dealing with her constant sickness for a couple months I called him
and he finally admitted that he got her from his neighbor the morning that I picked her up
and had no history on her - seems that he didn't want to sell one if his calves
and tried to make some extra money by selling me this calf from a neighbors farm. Who knows.).

The day after bringing her home she got sick, runny nose, scours, mucousy cough and all that.
I treated her for pneumonia and she seemed to get better until a couple weeks later
she had a 106 temperature so I had the vet come out.
Prior to that I called the same vet and he instructed me to give her a round of penicillin, which I did and it seemed to help.
When he came out he gave her a long acting antibiotic and said that it wasn't her lungs but an infection in her throat.
Again, she seemed to get mostly better but had an occasional cough that was pretty mucousy after drinking her bottle.
I was again instructed to give her another round of penicillin.
I would occasionally call the vet and ask him questions but he just said that some calves tend to have that
and that she will probably get better with time - especially once it warms up.

Over the time that I was bottle/bucket feeding her, it took awhile to get her to start eating solids.
I finally got her to start eating hay, then pasture, then weaned her off of milk replacer.
She has never really eaten much grain even though I provided it to her daily.
She would nibble at it then ignore it - regardless of me adding molasses and trying multiple kinds of grain and starter feed.
More recently, she had just been on pasture with the other cows and seemed to be doing fine apart from the coughing and occasional heavy breathing.
She never really had much energy though.

Over the past two weeks I noticed that she looked a little thin
and was considering calling the vet again but thought I'd give it a couple more days.
I gave her a vitamin B-complex shot on Saturday and Sunday.
On Sunday, she laid down in the pasture and hasn't been able to get up since.

I called a different vet this time and he came out on Monday morning.
He gave her quite a few shots - selenium, steroid, and something else
and instructed me to give her a shot of 10 ML of Thiamine every morning for a few days to see if she improves.

By this point her breathing was almost always labored and very mucousy sounding-
she also coughed a lot and would occasional pant like a dog after drinking or eating.
I told him about my experience with the other vet and he disagreed with most of what that vet did
- in hindsight, I wish that I would have called this vet the first time.
He said that her lungs sound like they're "burnt up".

Today is day 4 after the vet visit and she isn't doing any worse but not doing better either.
I still cannot get her to stand.
She is eating and drinking though and seems to be more aware and awake that she has been the past couple days.
I talked to the vet this morning and he thinks that, at this point, it's probably best to put her down.


After this very long story, my question is...
does anyone have any last minute ideas or experience with this?
I planned to put her down myself this evening but wanted to see if there were any other ideas that I can try before giving up on her.

I realize that in a large cattle operation, she would have been culled probably right after birth
but we only raise about 2-3 cattle at a time just for meat for ourselves.
We grass and hay feed our cows which is why we tried a bottle calf for the first time.
It's hard to find a 6 month old steer or heifer that hadn't been grain fed it's whole life.
Nothing against it - we just prefer grass fed.

Right now she is actually eating a decent amount of grain
which is surprising but I think it's only because she can't get up to graze.

She is also eating hay..and I'm not sure if this is a good idea,
but I have been giving her milk replacer again in the mornings and evenings which she gets very excited for.
I figured that it might help to get some calories in her.
Again, not sure if that is a good idea or not but figured that I'd give it a try. Sorry that this is so long, let me know what you think.

Should I put her down now, or try something else and give her a little more time? Thanks!
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Sorry but I tried to read your long post but it is virtually illegible with out paragraph breaks.
Sorry, Lazy J that it was not to your liking. This is my first post on a forum.

I don't spend my time on the internet all day learning about the dos and don'ts of proper forum writing technique.

Maybe, since you couldn't read it, you shouldn't have replied.

I made sure to put proper spacing in this response to make sure that you are able to read it. I hope it is to your liking.

Let me know if you would like a bigger font.
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Thanks to everyone who gave advice.

I did give her a few more days and just tried to get her up on her feet but she is still unable to stand.

I think I have decided to go ahead and put her down this afternoon.

Again, thanks to all who were helpful!
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Thanks to everyone who gave advice.

I did give her a few more days and just tried to get her up on her feet but she is still unable to stand.

I think I have decided to go ahead and put her down this afternoon.

Again, thanks to all who were helpful!
I'm sorry it didn't work well for you but you did your best with the hand you were dealt.

I hope it doesn't discourage you from trying another bottle calf at some point in the future but would encourage you to start visiting local breeders with solid reputations so when you're ready, you have the ability to find a healthy calf from someone honest.
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Sorry it didn't work out, hopefully you can use the animal for dog food or something useful.
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Sorry about the calf, Cooper13. That's a bummer. Unfortunately, the homesteading learning curve is a harsh one. You did the best you could with what you had. We can only do the best we can do.

I hope you have better luck with calves in the future. Don't give up! Sue
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My first experience with cattle was pretty rough, too. I feel for you!
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