young heifer aggravating heat cycles

[farmgirl6]

Well, Annabelle came into a standing heat after seeming to skip one, this was well on the outside of when she should have, I tried AI yet again, will see, this is like the fifth time, but twice before I don't think she really was in heat and only once did I think we did it on time, this time she went into standing heat that afternoon evening but the AI lady couldn't come out until the next mid morning so who knows this time...Coop came into a strong standing heat, and Walden got her done, I could tell because she had all classic signs, uncomfortable neither region, draining seminal fluid. A day after she had a mucus blood discharge, which at first worried me until I read that is a good thing, shows she cycled...now Annabelle has never done that, do all cows do that? I may have seen Coop do that once before (no blood but goo) but never Annie, is that maybe why she does not seem to settle, is it possible she does not ovulate? wow, it has been a long three years of mystery..thoughts?

[farmgirl6]

Originally Posted by DoubleR

It sounds like timing has just been off. Is there a reason you don't set up a Timed AI with you AI Tech? Have you heard of this? Seems like your throwing money in the wind .
At what point do you call your tech? What signs are you looking for?
Every cow is different. Some show one heat sign, others don't. Some have a lot of discharge, others don't. When watching for heat you have to look at the big picture not just one specific sign.
If she cycled long after when she should have for a reheat and it's not timed around when the following cycles should have been its very possible she reabsorbed the embryo/fetus.
How's her body condition?

Thanks for reading my trials
My AI tech seems to be the only one in the area and getting in touch with her in a timely manner is shall we say often a challenge- I call her to give her a heads up based on my predicted dates and call when I can confirm she is in a standing heat - but she can't always come out sometimes doesn't call back until days later - can't really blame her with only one cow tho pretty penny each time - this time she made it out mid morning the next day - she was not in heat when I left that morning but in At 4:30 that afternoon I am with you thinking I am just burning Jeffersons! She seems like a chub to me but is leaner on top much more so than my dwarf dexter but could that be the breed? She is jersey

[farmgirl6]

Originally Posted by DoubleR

Hopefully I can help you "Get er done"!
If I were you I'd be beating the bushing trying to find a new tech or vet. This lady is taking you for a ride. I would never charge to come out for a breeding I know isn't timed right. I think she knows you'll keep shelling out the cash so why not. (Shaking my head)
However for now if you choose, call your AI tech in advance. Like now or so. Ask her about doing a Attachment 25754 Synchronization breeding. The best I've found in a situation like this is as follows. If she doesn't know what this is I'd run for the hills. It's a widely used sync process. I personally think its impossible to be in the AI business and not know how to do synchronization.
Day zero, implant what is called a Cidr. It's a vaginal implant that sits inside her for 7 days. She gets the Cidr and a shot of GNRH on day zero. This can even be done by you if your invested in getting her bred and the tech will sell you the supplies. Or even your local vet may have it. BTW vets AI also. Maybe you can find one willing.
Day 7 at the same time you implanted, remove the implant and give her a shot of Lutelyse. If you have another cow to help heat detect her that would help.
For the next 84 hours (if this is a cow and not a heifer) you'll heat detect if possible. Schedule the AI tech no matter what, in advance for 84 hours after you've pulled the Cidr and given the Lute. Have her bred at 84 hours and have the tech give a shot of GNRH. The GNRH causes her to ovulate giving the semen a better chance on timing.
Sounds like she's built like a typical Jersey. Maybe snap and post a photo or two????

holy moly, I will ask her about it, she did say she had a shot she could give if we could really figure out her cycle, I don't think she intends to take advantage, she relies on me to tell when she is in a standing heat and twice I think I was wrong, and it is a really long drive for her so she is kinda counting on me to time it out, but is it frustrating when I am sure and can't get a hold of her even when I have called in a heads up...(my vet won't fool with it) I have another cow and a miniature bull who does a good job letting me know what the deal is. she has always been a bit of "shy heat" whilst Coop lets us ALL know she thinks she is pretty when she is in heat will research synchronization....thanks - oh is day 0 like the day after a standing heat?

[goodhors]

Something I did with our heifer, was put her on a Selenium and Vit E supplement, to get her reproductive cycle regular.

We have almost no Selenium in our glacier scraped soil, so animals must be supplemented to have enough. You MUST feed Vit E with the Selenium or animals won't absorb the Selenium in body, so you wasted time feeding it.

I gave the supplement on top of her handful of grain, to KNOW she ate it, since it was not much in quantity. Only 1/4 teaspoon for her smaller (Dexter) size of 600# at the time.

Within a couple months, that heifer was as regular cycling as daily sunrise! She was quite young when I started, but consistant when breeding time came, probably 3 months of daily supplementing to get her up to needed levels of Selenium to be regular. I continued supplementing her until we sold her, because Selenium and Vit E help a number of other body issues like muscles, not only the reproductive tract.

Just an idea with the Selenium and Vit E added to diet, fairly inexpensive way to keep reproductive health in animals working as needed. I got the Selenium and Vit E in a vitamin mix at my local Elevator, quite inexpensive and lasts a long time with that small amount needed daily.

[willow_girl]

I'd set her up too, or find a bull who can do the job.

[farmgirl6]

Originally Posted by DoubleR

Farmgirl6,

I hope your right about this tech.
If your cow has shy heats that is even more reason your tech should be recommending synchronization. Especially if her schedule is random and she has problems answering/returning calls in a timely manner. I really don't mean to pick at your tech I'm just concerned and feel like she isn't putting effort into getting your cow bred. That is what your paying her for.
Day 0 should be a week or more away from her previous heat. You get to pick the day.

Keep us posted

Roger, will be watching her carefully and working on getting her synchronized if she goes into heat again or skips and is not in calf....I put out a mineral block, but they also get a complete pelleted feed as well.

[farmgirl6]

Originally Posted by willow_girl

I'd set her up too, or find a bull who can do the job.

I have a little bull, hoping he gets big enough, he certainly takes the job seriously if Coop is bred, then I know he is all bull with no issues