Regestered animal transpher

opportunity · #1 02/23/13, 09:33 PM

I purchase a bull in October 2011 I paid $100 extra to have registration and DNA testing to make sure that I was getting a bull that I would have registered calfs from.
I recieved information from the seller that the registration was filled and the purebred organization said it would take a while to compleat. I didn't really follow up on this like I should have due to health issues that came up that month in our family.
I posted one of my cows for sale as pasture exposed to the bull this week. The lady who sold me the animal emailed me and told me I couldn't sell one like that as I do not have the registration on the bull so the calf can't be registered. She said I could just pay for the transpher now and I wouldn't have to pay extra as she would date it for me as happening now. If we lie about the dates though my three cows will have unregistered babies and I don't think I should have to pay a second time.
I'm not very happy so I sent her an email back asking why it wasn't registered since my invoice has listing for the cost to me for the registration. I'm still waiting for her to get back to me but I have low hopes that I will actually get my babies registered and it will ruin a sale I have pending on the cow.

I'm sick of dealing with people who don't do as they say. When I bough my cows from another lady she altered the registration saying I bought them the end of september instead of begining of July so non of my clafs that year where registered as I "didn't own the cows when they were served by the bull" It irritates me.

So what bred is easy to register and transpher? I'm looking to just give up on the breed I love as I have not been able to paper a single animal that I raised

SpaceCadet12364 · #2 02/23/13, 10:12 PM

It does not matter if you owned them when they where serviced only when the calf is born you can register the calf. there is a place on transfer slip cow exposed to bull reg. number. then calf can be registered.

opportunity · #3 02/23/13, 10:16 PM

They can not be registered if the person who owns the animal does not have it registered in their name on the date of service I tried to register several in the past as the bull and cow where both owned by me but the previouse owners had not transphered the registration the calfs can not bre registered its a dumb rule with the highlands or else the people who are at the main office don't knwo what they are doing but they have sent everything back to me everytime.
I was frustrated so I ate the first bull and bough a second only to have the same issue, an owner who didn't sign the right paperwork and pay for the transpher even though they said they would in writing.

opportunity · #4 02/23/13, 10:17 PM

The person who has the animal registered at the time of service is the breeder and the only one who can register the offspring.

SpaceCadet12364 · #5 02/24/13, 06:06 AM

NO! they just have to put the service bull on the transfer slip. so when she is transfered to you they know she is pregnant and estimated due date so when she calves she gets credit. I have given transfer slips when the bull does not have a reg. no. yet, but you have to call and let them know that his papers are in process and they will hold hers till his are finished and they will add his number. some associations require both owners to sign if cow and bull owners are different.

opportunity · #6 02/24/13, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SpaceCadet12364

NO! they just have to put the service bull on the transfer slip. so when she is transfered to you they know she is pregnant and estimated due date so when she calves she gets credit. I have given transfer slips when the bull does not have a reg. no. yet, but you have to call and let them know that his papers are in process and they will hold hers till his are finished and they will add his number. some associations require both owners to sign if cow and bull owners are different.

So I'm selling the cow she is bred but the original owner of my bull is not signing the form and not finishing the transpher to me. I can't sell my cow as having a registered calf since I owned the cow for three years now ands the bull for 18 months the credit SHOULD go to me but the transpher on the bull never happened so it can't be registed at all :-(

nosqrls · #7 02/24/13, 09:43 AM

yes it can if you know his reg.number and put it on the transfer slip. or they will give you his reg. no. and if you can prove that you paid for for a reg. animal and did not get one report them to the association and when their membership is pulled and and they are not allowed to register animals again they will be more than happy too. Then file a law suit against their farm not them so that way you can take the farm or put a lien against it. They will move a little faster.

Allen W · #8 02/24/13, 10:12 AM

Next time no papers no buy, there is no reason for a service age bull to not have papers if the breeder is legit.

I reread your opening post and understand you bought a calf. Still there is no reason to be treated this way, it isn't how a legitimate breeder wanting to keep or develop a reputation operates.

SpaceCadet12364 · #9 02/24/13, 11:17 AM

The reason we sell registered animals is to prove they are what we say they are. All our bulls are dna tested period. We sell by word of mouth. And have repeat customers. I have had people ask if they can buy papers for a animal that was not born here no way. That ruins my reputation I won't do it. I sell an animal they get a checkup for my peace of mind. If they go across state lines they get a health certificate , that protect me as much as the buyer. My animals have tattoo's so I can prove it is one of mine. If you have a reputation for having excellent stock people are willing to pay more and go further to get them. If I want a Holstein steer I go to Corbin Dairy here Old lady Corbin make sure they colostrum for three days and you better have straw in your trailer when you pick them up or they don't leave. I will pay 20$ to 30$ more fore one of hers because I know what I am getting. So breeders like this make the rest of us look bad.

opportunity · #10 02/24/13, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SpaceCadet12364

The reason we sell registered animals is to prove they are what we say they are. All our bulls are dna tested period. We sell by word of mouth. And have repeat customers. I have had people ask if they can buy papers for a animal that was not born here no way. That ruins my reputation I won't do it. I sell an animal they get a checkup for my peace of mind. If they go across state lines they get a health certificate , that protect me as much as the buyer. My animals have tattoo's so I can prove it is one of mine. If you have a reputation for having excellent stock people are willing to pay more and go further to get them. If I want a Holstein steer I go to Corbin Dairy here Old lady Corbin make sure they colostrum for three days and you better have straw in your trailer when you pick them up or they don't leave. I will pay 20$ to 30$ more fore one of hers because I know what I am getting. So breeders like this make the rest of us look bad.

I have the DNA test for the bull (paid to have it done before I got him) I have a copy of his registrationt that matches his ear tatoo, the only thing I don't have is the registration in my name. I want to register the calfs but I can't now. I think I will copy all my info and send it into the breed association and see if they will stop her mebership as she is not following their rules.

nosqrls · #11 02/24/13, 11:36 AM

You have his papers then you have his number. If they signed the back for transfer then you can do the rest send them in and transfer to your name. fill his number on her transfer slip as exposed to. call association and explain it to them. they may transfer him to you for the transfer fee.

SpaceCadet12364 · #12 02/24/13, 11:44 AM

Must registration have a transfer section on them. Is it signed if not take it by the breeders and have them sign it. If they won't then call association and explain the problem to them, They have rules You are suppose to follow. Then do not deal with them again.

MO_cows · #13 02/24/13, 02:38 PM

All the different breed registries have their own rules. Study up on yours. Some of them have rules specifying you have to be the owner of record of the sire to register a calf, but some don't.

The seller in this case has a lot of nerve! They promised you registration papers in writing, didn't deliver, then got on your case for how you advertised your animal for sale. I would be putting a lot of pressure on them to deliver the registration papers ASAP or else mark a day off their calendar to spend in small claims court.

When registration papers are "pending", you are taking a leap of faith. Some breeders are true to their word and some are not.

opportunity · #14 02/25/13, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MO_cows

All the different breed registries have their own rules. Study up on yours. Some of them have rules specifying you have to be the owner of record of the sire to register a calf, but some don't.

The seller in this case has a lot of nerve! They promised you registration papers in writing, didn't deliver, then got on your case for how you advertised your animal for sale. I would be putting a lot of pressure on them to deliver the registration papers ASAP or else mark a day off their calendar to spend in small claims court.

When registration papers are "pending", you are taking a leap of faith. Some breeders are true to their word and some are not.

Highlands require the owner of record of the sire to sign.
The seller had the registration in her name done before I finallized the purchase, and transpher was suposed to happen within 90 days and she gave me a copy of the paperwork and a recipet that said she was filling it.
I'm putting pressure on her and she told me she would just forge the dates now and send me presigned forms for all my cows so I can register the calfs though this is NOT allowed by the breed association. I had a referance on this breeder from another one I have done business with and they claimed she was good.

I hope the breed association will help me with her wanting to now forge dates on the paperwork and let me get the registration