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10/10/12, 10:05 AM
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10/10/12, 11:12 AM
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Luis Bettencourt, the owner of the dairy, said that when the Idaho Department of Agriculture told him about the video and allegations, he was "sick about it." Bettencourt's dairy operation is the largest in Idaho, with 13 facilities and about 60,000 milk cows.
"We don't tolerate animal abuse. That's a big issue for us," Bettencourt said. "I love my animals and I've been in the dairy business since I was a kid. Animal care is a number one issue in our facilities."
Bettencourt said officials with the Idaho Department of Agriculture showed him the footage in August and he fired the five workers seen in the video the next day. In the weeks since, he said he's installed video cameras throughout his facilities and hired an additional supervisor.
"And we also showed the video to all the rest of the employees in our dairies, all 500 employees, and they had to sign a deal that said they understand that there's zero tolerance for animal abuse in our dairies," he said. "We've been in business 30 years and we've never had this happen before. We're all devastated here."
Nathan Runkle, the executive director of Mercy for Animals, said those steps amount to "too little too late." He hopes the video will convince Kraft Foods and other companies to stop using products made from milk from the Idaho company and send a "clear message to the industry that animal abuse will not be tolerated."
The dairy owner seems to have taken the proper corrective actions. It peeves me that the animal rights guy still says "too little too late". If they put the dairy out of business, the cows would likely go to slaughter. How is that better?????
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10/10/12, 11:24 AM
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Animal rights guys want us all to be vegetarians.
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10/10/12, 11:51 AM
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I find it telling that this animal rights guy got a "job" at this dairy. Do we just randomly have animal rights folks getting "undercover" jobs at various farms with the intent to find something "reportable" going on and then, therefore, shut down the farms?
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10/10/12, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by thequeensblessing
I find it telling that this animal rights guy got a "job" at this dairy. Do we just randomly have animal rights folks getting "undercover" jobs at various farms with the intent to find something "reportable" going on and then, therefore, shut down the farms?
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Yes. They have been for years.
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10/10/12, 12:02 PM
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Yes. They have been for years.
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I was afraid you were going to say that. How pathetic. 
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10/10/12, 02:21 PM
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I was afraid you were going to say that. How pathetic. |
No! What was pathetic was they actually found something. If they don't find it then they go away when they find it gets all blown up. And no I am not a animal rights activists and I don't play one on TV. I raise cattle to sell for breeding stock and beef. But I don't mistreat them either they make me money and put food on the table. How would you feel if somebody wrapped and chain around you neck and dragged you to work because you fell. I not saying treat them like gods but treat them with a little kindness.
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10/10/12, 02:28 PM
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That is and has been one of the biggest problems when your a huge dairy, you need to hire help with that dairy. Sometimes you dont hire the right people, and I`m sure most of you have at one time hired the wrong person for a job. When your this big not everyone is going to do things the way it is suppose to be, and then when you have several people who all work toward a wrong move in the company, your end result is not good. I sure by the names of these employees they were not managment, and shame on me for thinkg that, but I`m sure I`m right. And if you have employees that think they have beeen wronged by the dairy, they will get back at them what ever why they can. We all know most all dairies take care of there animals, it is just good business to do so. You can`t run a profitable dairy if you mistreat your animals. But when you employ 500 people, I`m sure it is very hard to keep close tab on them all, and more so when they are a band of trouble makers. They have each others back in case they are ever quetioned about wrong doiings in the dairy. That is why I don`t like to hire help, "If you want it done right, do it yourself" is what I have gone by most of my life. And I have also found while I worked off the farm for many years there is not much loyalty in the work force. So I can see how this coiuld happen. Don`t agree with it but still happens. > Thanks Marc
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10/10/12, 03:16 PM
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You can see the Mercy for Animals video on youtube, if you are interested.
They made me sign in to view it.
The footage comes complete with doom music and the amplified sounds of miserable cows.
I think I will just back away from this topic before my blood pressure skyrockets.
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I think some people have an agenda..very interesting that they have been to 4 dairies and all 4 had abuse going on.....
and like you said Marc someone seems to have it in for the Dairy and their bottom line encouraging companies to cut their contracts. It seems more important than the future welfare of the animals
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10/10/12, 06:39 PM
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Look closely and you will probably see the Humane Society of the United States of America tied to this. Their #1 goal is for no one to have farm animals or pets, period.
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10/10/12, 07:02 PM
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No! What was pathetic was they actually found something. If they don't find it then they go away when they find it gets all blown up. And no I am not a animal rights activists and I don't play one on TV. I raise cattle to sell for breeding stock and beef. But I don't mistreat them either they make me money and put food on the table. How would you feel if somebody wrapped and chain around you neck and dragged you to work because you fell. I not saying treat them like gods but treat them with a little kindness.
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I'm not condoning abusing animals, for goodness sake. Neither am I condoning getting a job with the sole objective of spying on the operations. I don't for a moment believe that if "they don't find it then they go away...". No, they will stay until they find it, and face it, on a farm, if you look hard enough, you'll find something that will meet your criteria.
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10/10/12, 07:03 PM
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Of course, a cow in heat can sound pretty darned miserable! 
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10/10/12, 07:59 PM
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Of course, a cow in heat can sound pretty darned miserable! |
The whole 'tone' of the video is just a disgusting play on emotion, in my opinion.
I am in no way condoning what I saw happen, but there is always more to the story.
It is tempting to pick that little movie apart bit by bit but I shall refrain.
This is very difficult for me.
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No! What was pathetic was they actually found something. If they don't find it then they go away when they find it gets all blown up. And no I am not a animal rights activists and I don't play one on TV. I raise cattle to sell for breeding stock and beef. But I don't mistreat them either they make me money and put food on the table. How would you feel if somebody wrapped and chain around you neck and dragged you to work because you fell. I not saying treat them like gods but treat them with a little kindness.
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It isn't beneath them to set the situation up for their benefit. Or to encourage some body to do some thing they shouldn't. Or just doing the awfull act theirselves. What ever it takes to get air time and donations.
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10/10/12, 09:46 PM
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If they did nobody stopped it. In my book your just as guilty as the one who did it.
If animals are your business then that's your money. If somebody did that to one of mine he better give his heart and soul to god because what is left I'm running through the shredder. They deserved what they got and that is fired.
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10/10/12, 10:04 PM
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I find it telling that this animal rights guy got a "job" at this dairy. Do we just randomly have animal rights folks getting "undercover" jobs at various farms with the intent to find something "reportable" going on and then, therefore, shut down the farms?
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When I applied at the dairy where I work now, I just walked up and knocked on their door. I gave them the name and number of the farmer I had worked for previously, and the co-op where I worked as a tester, but even so, they were reluctant to hire me as they were afraid I was some sort of PETA spy.
Now they are very good farmers ... my boss loves his cows and takes very good care of them ...but he was still afraid.
I think after 5 years he's realized I'm not a spy. 
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My first thought watching the video? Looks like it was all scripted. Too obvious. Too cohesive. Too similar in their abuses. *shakes head* What some people will do to stir the pot against their chosen "enemy". And I agree with Nosqrls. The camera person is just as culpable. They should have said something against those abusers. Or gone straight away to get the super or management or someone. Shame on them, as well. But they were too busy trying to get "evidence against" the company instead of caring for the poor animals they supposedly care about! *shakes with held in anger* Anything to make their point, huh?
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10/10/12, 10:30 PM
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I did not and will not watch the video, I know bad things happen, but I don`t need to watch it. > Marc
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Marc, I understand why you wont watch it, but a lot of what they showed is just snippets of a bigger scene that can happen.
They only show the human "over reaction", but not what lead up to that 'abuse'.
People who work with cattle will recognise some of what is MISSING from those clips.
They are big animals and they push eachother down sometimes. That part isn't shown.
HOW these cows got sideways or downed or stuck in the gates isn't ever shown, just the ways the workers were attempting to move them.
It is a very one-sided view.
Nobody used electricity and I didnt see any blood.
Both of which I have seen in real life. So yeah.
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