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Old 07/09/12, 09:13 PM
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Electronic ID moves forward in the Dairy State

Animal ID program unveiled in Wisconsin

Wisconsin Livestock Identification Consortium

DairyHerd.com

July 3, 2012





The Wisconsin Livestock Identification Consortium is pleased to announce the launch of the Identifying Wisconsin™ branded tag program.



The voluntary Identifying Wisconsin branded Official ID program is the first of its kind and has been developed with support from Wisconsin livestock producers, industry and the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection.



The Identifying Wisconsin initiative is an independent, industry-funded program dedicated to accurate animal identification and highlights the consumer value and quality of Wisconsin livestock. The program was developed by producers, for producers and consumers.



Under the Identifying Wisconsin program, Wisconsin producers with a premises ID can purchase approved AIN (840) and Premises ID tags. All tags approved for the program will carry the "Wisconsin Origin" seal that is printed by tag manufacturers and only distributed to farms in the state of Wisconsin through select distributors.



The tags offered under this program can be used to satisfy traceability needs for marketing, state and national animal health programs and on-farm management. Data about the farm of origin is housed in a producer and industry managed database located in Madison, Wis.
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Registration leads to confiscation when an "emergency" is declared, because they know what is where and their "needs" outweigh those of your family. Participate at your own risk.

For those of you who are sceptical, read the National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order signed in March of this year.
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This looks like the beginnings of state control under the guise of consumer protection. I agree with Wintersong, participation is risky.
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Old 07/12/12, 12:17 PM
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"Registration leads to confiscation when an "emergency" is declared" Please back that up.
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Google: Food Safety Modernization Act S510. This is the federal law proposed that EXPLICITLY says the government has a right to take control over any food you produce whenever there is an emergency. If you don't cooperate, you can be charged with a felony. To show you how extreme it is, they list everything that can be considered food, even mentioning your home gardens. That is why we call this the Tomato Nazi Law. If you register your animals, you are just putting yourself at the top of the list.
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Old 07/13/12, 07:24 AM
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Google: Food Safety Modernization Act S510. This is the federal law proposed that EXPLICITLY says the government has a right to take control over any food you produce whenever there is an emergency. If you don't cooperate, you can be charged with a felony. To show you how extreme it is, they list everything that can be considered food, even mentioning your home gardens. That is why we call this the Tomato Nazi Law. If you register your animals, you are just putting yourself at the top of the list.
Not true. There are plenty of ways that the government knows you have cattle, without an electronic ear tag.

IMHO, if we get a disease outbreak like foot and mouth, like a few other countries have recently faced, there is a greater chance that your unidentified cattle will be conficated than cattle I can prove were raised here.

Anyway, this ear tag ID is being pushed by the farmers in Wisconsin, because they recognize the need.
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Old 07/13/12, 07:31 AM
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A road map to your farm, I have never liked this idea, at one time it may have been a good idea, but with the way the government is now days, I don`t trust them. > Enough said, > Thanks Marc
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Here are a couple of great articles that Charles Walters of Acres USA wrote concerning the national ID program.




http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/repr...arkofBeast.pdf

http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/repr...arkofBeast.pdf
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Old 07/13/12, 08:31 AM
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If we want to market our products internationally, we'd better get with the program, as most countries have more stringent requirements than does the U.S.

And as citizens of the Third World become more prosperous, a huge market is opening for meat and dairy products. One analyst in Hoard's Dairyman magazine recently noted something to the effect that, "When someone in Third World makes an extra $1 a day, they're not going to go out and buy a car. But they probably will buy a piece of chicken or beef."

Up to us as to whether we want to tap into this growing market. If we don't, you can be sure another country will.
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Here are a couple of great articles that Charles Walters of Acres USA wrote concerning the national ID program.




http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/repr...arkofBeast.pdf

http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/repr...arkofBeast.pdf
Claptrap propaganda, chock full of myths and outright lies. BUT, be that as it may, that's anti-NAIS crap. This posting is about an identification system that the cattlemen of Wisconsin want, NOT NAIS.

This is a Wisconsin system that focuses on the Buy Wisconsin wave, while assisting in the traceability many companies and consumers are demanding.

So, please put your boogy man articles and costumes away. It isn't NAIS and it isn't Halloween.
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This program is not being pushed by cattlemen in Wisconsin. I should know - I am one. And for the record, "WE DON'T WANT THIS!" This is being pushed by Big Agribusiness which is in bed with the control freaks in Washington. I don't want to market my products globally; I want to sell locally to my neighbors and friends.

Like I said before, participate at your own risk.
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Claptrap propaganda, chock full of myths and outright lies. BUT, be that as it may, that's anti-NAIS crap. This posting is about an identification system that the cattlemen of Wisconsin want, NOT NAIS.

This is a Wisconsin system that focuses on the Buy Wisconsin wave, while assisting in the traceability many companies and consumers are demanding.

So, please put your boogy man articles and costumes away. It isn't NAIS and it isn't Halloween.
Just go out and register yourself a brand with the State and brand all your cattle and then it can be traced all the way back to you. But then what if you sell a few heifers to your neighbor who keeps them a year or two and gets some kind of "Disease" or something comes up along the chain that is no fault of yours, Do you want them to come back to you?
Are you going to sign an affidavit saying your cattle are disease free everytime you sell one? These companies want someone to come back on.
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Old 07/13/12, 12:45 PM
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Yes, I absoloutly want them coming back to me. I want my cattle tested. Otherwise, I might be spreading diseases and selling diseased cattle without knowing it. Likewise, if I buy cattle that end up having a disease, I want the exposed cattle from each farm that cattle lived on checked for disease.

Big difference between coming back to you and coming back on you.

Michigan cattlemen and dairies would be out of business if we wouldn't have gotten a program together to locate TB herds. The positive ID tags has been a part of that.
If it weren't for the pesky whitetailed deer moving around the disease, TB testing and positive animal ID would have eradicated TB in Michigan. But it is still a whole lot better than it was.
Recently, here in Michigan, a group of Bulls were exposed to a TB positive bull brought in from another state. Then the Bulls were sold to dozens of farms, some sold a few times in a few weeks. Locating and testing those herds would have been impossible without positive ID and a database.
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But then what if you sell a few heifers to your neighbor who keeps them a year or two and gets some kind of "Disease" or something comes up along the chain that is no fault of yours, Do you want them to come back to you?
With a real system of identification and movement tracking they wouldn't come back to you the trail would lead to the neighbor that had them. Thanks for pointing out the benefits of animal tracking...
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With a real system of identification and movement tracking they wouldn't come back to you the trail would lead to the neighbor that had them. Thanks for pointing out the benefits of animal tracking...
How? Maybe the process needs to be explained more clearly. It seems to me there will have to be some kind of permanent chip implant. Cattle lose eartags or they can be cutout. Who is going to oversee it? Is it mandatory or volunteer. If its volunteer then what's the insentive? If its mandatory what is the penalty?
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Old 07/13/12, 05:04 PM
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Registration leads to confiscation when an "emergency" is declared, because they know what is where and their "needs" outweigh those of your family. Participate at your own risk.

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Years ago on a "field trip" to France, a cattle assn I worked with at the time saw the meat case in a French grocery store as part of their tour. They had a "commodity beef" case, then they had a "source verified" section at MUCH higher prices. Pick up a package of beef and ask for more information, here comes the name of the farm, it's location, a picture of the farmer, etc. All linked to the bar code. I believe this was in response to BSE or mad cow disease.

The store said they sold more of the "sourced" beef than the commodity. Now this was France, home of the gourmet, whose priority is quality more than price. But they were already doing this back in the late 90's. So when I go to a US grocery store today and pick up a package of beef that says "product of USA, Canada or Mexico", I ain't impressed. They can't even nail down what country it's from?? I'll put it back down.

As long as the program is voluntary and cattlemen can decide for themselves whether or not to participate, why not? If the consumers appreciate and will pay more for "Wisconsin beef", and the producer gets extra money, too, not just the middlemen, more power to them.

Known origins are real, real important sometimes. There are Thoroughbred mares trucked long distances every year so they can be "Kentucky bred" and their foals worth more. California is spending how many millions on their "happy cows" tv ads to promote California dairy. So if this program provides a way for Wisconsin beef producers to improve their business because people want to buy Wisconsin beef, great. But if other Wisconsin producers aren't comfortable with it, they shouldn't HAVE to participate. It shouldn't have to be a fight.
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Old 07/13/12, 05:24 PM
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Once Uncle Sam gets his foot in the door he usually takes over. If you want to buy beef from France, go right ahead. I prefer American Angus. LOL
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Old 07/13/12, 05:27 PM
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And furthermore, the ones who are worried about inspections, seizures and such by the government - do you really think nobody knows you have cattle?? Here in Missouri, we pay personal property tax for our livestock. It's on record at the county how many cows we put down on the assessment form. Lots of other states, too. Buying and selling at the sale barn leaves records. So it isn't like they couldn't show up at your door anyway. And by having all your cattle ID'd, they can't mistakenly put somebody else's TB carrier or whatever on you.
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Old 07/13/12, 05:33 PM
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I believe that Missouri is a TB and Bangs free state. Cattle entering this state must be tested unless they are from a certified herd.
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