needing help with milker parts

collegeboundgal · #1 02/12/12, 09:04 PM

hi all. well, getting ready for the cows to freshen and getting the parts for an old sears farm master milker and am needing help making sure I'm getting the right parts and all I need. I cant seem to find the right "cups" for the farm master so first was wondering if I can use surge cups in place of the farm master brand. the farm master hangs under the cow like the surge, suspended from a belt that wraps around the cow but I dont know if the length of the cups matters...

http://www.portablemilkers.com/catal...88/8272889.htm
these are the steel cups I think I need. I'll be getting 4 for cows.

http://www.portablemilkers.com/catal...88/1078174.htm
these are the liners I think I need to line the steel cups above (right?) I'll be getting 4 of these as well. So I'm thinking that the liners go through the cups on the bottom and the milk drains from the end of these hoses into the milk bucket, while I will need another hose that hooks to the steel nipple sticking out of the side of the cup for the suction. The vacuum actually drops the pressure in between the steel cup and rubber lining, "pulling" the milk from the teat! HA!!! I think I just finally figured out how these milking cups work!!! (sorry, off track...)

now it gets really tricky.
Do I need to get the hose that takes the milk from the lined, steel cups to the "bucket" (milk pail). Or does the liners hook up directly to the lid of the pail? If so, what size to I need? I think its this http://www.familymilkcow.com/servlet...um-Hose/Detail but not sure... it looks like what is used in my aunt and uncles milk barn. (they have a grade A dairy so are "professionals" and use a "claw" milker. lol )

http://www.portablemilkers.com/catal...88/7759799.htm
I kinda' thought this was the hose I needed on the same site Im getting my cups and liners from but not sure I even need it if the liners go into the bucket or could I connect the end of the liner to this hose somehow and not even need to place the pail under/around the cow since I could have a long enough hose to go from the pail to the cup/liner...

I also need the suction hose and I'm really thinking this is it... Do you think this is the same size I would need to go from the pulsator to the steel nipple on the cups as the hose that goes from the vacuum pump to the pulsator? Ok, even as I typed that I know you all cannot see the one at my house so how in the world would you know that... So, never mind.
http://www.portablemilkers.com/catal...88/7759845.htm

BTW the site I'm looking at all this is http://www.portablemilkers.com/page/page/1578388.htm in case it's easer to "look" at what I'm looking at...

Thank you for any help you can give me!!!!

-Melissa

myersfarm · #2 02/12/12, 10:58 PM

Liners come in different sizes to fit long tit cows or short teat also fat and skinny teats

myersfarm · #3 02/12/12, 11:00 PM

I would call teh portable milkers on the phone tell them what I had and let them set everything up to fit together.....also you know you will need a vaccum pump and relieve valve

sammyd · #4 02/12/12, 11:06 PM

if your lid has 4 little spouts the inflations hook directly to them
You will need 4 air tubes to hook from the pulsator which should be siting on the lid to the little pipe nipple on the shells.
Some folks will put hose barbs on the inflations and hook longer hoses between them and the bucket so you can keep the bucket out from under the cow. Don't need to, but it does make life a little easier.

Usually the hose hooking the whole milker to the vacuum supply is 9/16 or 5/8 tube

Cindy in KY · #5 02/13/12, 07:09 AM

Farm Master Belly Milker

Here is some pics of ours. We only use 2 cups for the one cow. That way he only has to cover one cup with his hand if there is just one teat still milking towards the end. There are plugs in 2 of the lines on top of the milker.

We got our milker parts by searching online for Dairy parts and found a place 30 minutes from here that carried all the cups and liners. The hoses you can get just about anywhere.

He just sets the milker down on the ground, works great. We have used this for a long time and love it. Easy and fast to clean up too. If it is really cold he brings the long line into the house so it doesn't get condensation.

As you can see, we use the Truck for the vacuum. We have a T on both trucks so we can use either.

collegeboundgal · #6 02/13/12, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by myersfarm

Liners come in different sizes to fit long tit cows or short teat also fat and skinny teats

So the ones I picked out isn't a "one size fits all" type?

Quote:

Originally Posted by myersfarm

I would call teh portable milkers on the phone tell them what I had and let them set everything up to fit together.....also you know you will need a vaccum pump and relieve valve

guess I'll get on the phone with them and see what they say. yep, already have the vaccum pump and valve. the BF and his ex used to milk goats with this unit and just pluged off the other two spouts on the lid. he only has 2 cups/shells but I would like 4. we're going to be milking 2 and we need to do chores as fast as we can so we can get to work on time. we carpool and it's about a hour drive each way and he wrks in 10 hr shifts... soooo we need to be able to do chores efficiently...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyd

if your lid has 4 little spouts the inflations hook directly to them
You will need 4 air tubes to hook from the pulsator which should be siting on the lid to the little pipe nipple on the shells.
Some folks will put hose barbs on the inflations and hook longer hoses between them and the bucket so you can keep the bucket out from under the cow. Don't need to, but it does make life a little easier.

Usually the hose hooking the whole milker to the vacuum supply is 9/16 or 5/8 tube

yep. after getting home last night I took a look at everything and now understand how it works. BF said that we could use the barbs to make the hoses longer, but that it would just give us something else to clean. so I'm undecided on that. maybe I'll try it both ways and see what I like better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy in KY

Farm Master Belly Milker

Here is some pics of ours. We only use 2 cups for the one cow. That way he only has to cover one cup with his hand if there is just one teat still milking towards the end. There are plugs in 2 of the lines on top of the milker.

We got our milker parts by searching online for Dairy parts and found a place 30 minutes from here that carried all the cups and liners. The hoses you can get just about anywhere.

He just sets the milker down on the ground, works great. We have used this for a long time and love it. Easy and fast to clean up too. If it is really cold he brings the long line into the house so it doesn't get condensation.

As you can see, we use the Truck for the vacuum. We have a T on both trucks so we can use either.

huh. never thought about the "if one cup isn't sealed it looses suction in all cups". I think we defiantly want to do the 4 cups for better time management, but I might get a few of those cup "plugs" for any such occasion that one or two cups need to be off.

myersfarm · #7 02/13/12, 05:55 PM

the claws have a shut off valve in the end ( it looks like a beant piece of metal when holding claw level letting the inflations,,hang down backwords it will shut off vaccum by pinching the rubber and let you put them on one at a time