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Old 09/07/11, 06:41 PM
 
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Drat, Bessie's results are back

Well, got good and bad? news from Bessie's testing today.

She's PHA-free

She is a chondro carrier I have no idea whether the bull she was bred to is a carrier, so good thoughts our baby won't be bulldog would be awesome!

A2 results didn't come back yet.
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Old 09/07/11, 10:05 PM
 
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The person you purchased her from should know the status of the bull she's bred to. Statistically, breeding two carriers gives you a 25% chance of having a non-carrier. The bull needs to be genotyped in order for you to register the calf; the breeder should have given you some paperwork on this with his signature as owner at the time of breeding.
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The person you purchased her from should know the status of the bull she's bred to. Statistically, breeding two carriers gives you a 25% chance of having a non-carrier. The bull needs to be genotyped in order for you to register the calf; the breeder should have given you some paperwork on this with his signature as owner at the time of breeding.
The bull she was bred to has not been genotyped, he's registered ADCA. Legacy is trying to help me track him down to get him genotyped, but I'm not sure if the guy I bought Bessie from even knows about PHA and chondro. He's much more of a hobby-ist, if that makes sense? Legacy has already talked to the breeders who bred the bull (ie, they owned his parents) and they are sending in samples to genotype his parents, and my heifer's parents, but we don't know exactly where the bull is right now to get hair for genotyping.

I am praying for a bull calf, and of course not a bulldog, because a bull calf is destined for the freezer anyway, and I won't have to fret over not being able to register him. If the calf is a heifer, then I'm not sure what I am going to do. Cross that bridge when i come to it, I guess.

ETA: I don't even know if the bull that Bessie was bred to was owned by the guy I bought her from. He never registered any of his Dexters, he just gave me the signed registration for Bessie from PDCA that he got when he bought her in 2008, and a photocopy of the bull's ADCA registration. He WAS selling a bull, I'm just not sure if that is the bull Bessie was bred to, I assume it is. At any rate, he likely no longer owns it, but I am waiting for him to answer my email to find out for sure.
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Old 09/08/11, 08:08 AM
 
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If anyone can track the parentage down, it is Legacy. Hope you get it all sorted out.
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Old 09/08/11, 09:24 AM
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Ok.....what is PHA and Chrondo?
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Old 09/08/11, 10:34 AM
 
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From the ADCA website (www.dextercattle.org) - Handbook for New Members
(probably more than you wanted to know):

Chondrodysplasia: Dexter Cattle can carry a genetic mutation called Chondrodysplasia. This mutation causes defective bone growth which results in short legged, heavy bodied animals. Although this short legged animal is very appealing with its small stature, the gene can be lethal. If two carrier animals mate, the statistics indicate that one in four calves would be a
“bulldog” calf – grossly deformed and born dead. Statistically, one in four would be a noncarrier, and two in four would be carriers. In order to be better informed so that a breeder can establish successful breeding practices, it is recommended that animals – especially the shorter legged animals – be tested for chondrodysplasia. A well‐informed breeder can then make appropriate choices in sire and dam in order to avoid calf loss due to this particular gene. If only one of the two is a carrier, then the
bulldog calf will not occur. There will be a fifty‐fifty chance of producing carrier calves if one or the other parent is a carrier. If neither is a carrier, then the problem is eliminated entirely.

PHA (Pulmonary Hypoplasia with Anasarca): Pulmonary Hypoplasia indicates incomplete formation of the lungs. Anasarca indicates an accumulation of fluids in tissues and body cavities. PHA‐affected calves are either aborted or stillborn. Because of the anasarca, the PHA calf may be tremendously swollen which would make delivery exceedingly difficult and potentially life threatening for the cow. The PHA affected calf occurs when the PHA gene is
inherited from both the sire and the dam. If only one of the parents carry the gene, the calf will appear normal, but can carry the PHA gene. The statistics are similar to the chondrodysplasia carriers. When both parents are PHA carriers, there is a 1 in 4 chance of a PHA (dead) calf; a 1 in 4 chance of a non PHA carrier; and a 2 in 4 chance of producing PHA carrier calves. When a PHA non‐carrier is bred to a PHA carrier, the chances are 50% of producing a PHA carrier and 50% of producing a PHA non‐carrier. It is possible for a chondrodysplasia non‐carrier to carry PHA. It is possible for a chondrodysplasia carrier to also carry PHA. The two genes do not appear to be related.

Testing give the breeder the knowledge of his animals’ genetic status so that he/she can make appropriate decisions on breeding practices. By breeding non‐carriers to carriers, you can avoid the dead calf and potential damage to the cow. By gradually eliminating PHA carriers from your herds, you can build a herd that doesn’t carry this lethal gene. Unlike the chondrodysplasia carrier, PHA carriers cannot be identified visually. PHA carriers may be either longer or shorted legged animals.
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Old 09/08/11, 06:08 PM
 
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WOOHOO! She's A2/A2...two out of three great results, I'm ecstatic!
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WOOHOO! She's A2/A2...two out of three great results, I'm ecstatic!
WHOOOOHOOOO!!!! I send my test in this week. Fingers crossed!
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Old 09/11/11, 07:15 PM
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Good explanation! Thank you. I had never heard of either of those. So are those tests you only need to have done if you have a dexter?

And congrats on the A2!
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Old 09/11/11, 07:38 PM
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Good explanation! Thank you. I had never heard of either of those. So are those tests you only need to have done if you have a dexter?

And congrats on the A2!
Angus, Hereford, Shorthorn also can carry genetic defects. There are probably others that I am not aware of.
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Old 09/11/11, 09:31 PM
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Neat. I had no idea. We had a cow give birth to a fully developed looking calf, however....it could have MAYBE weighed 20lbs. Angus/gelbvieh bull and a red cow (not sure what she was) were the parents. Calf didn't make it as it looked like a midget or something. Had another calf hit the ground at probably 130lbs or something. Same bull, different mom she was angus/charlois. Could that have been the problem?? Or maybe minerals
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Old 09/11/11, 10:34 PM
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Every breed has traits that are keyed to the breed. Some good traits, like the long horns of Highlands, and some bad traits, like meanness in Jersey bulls. Almost all breeds have at least one form of dwarfism. Some have 7 different forms.

Dexters have only the one form of dwarfism. It is probably the reason that the Dexter breed was developed. Farmers selecting the smallest cows may have inadvertently created a breed of small cattle, a majority of which were dwarves.

Dexter dwarfism stands out, because we have a name for it and a DNA test for it. It's called chondrodysplasia, usually just called chondro. It's what makes a short legged Dexter's legs short.

A2 beta casein in the milk is not a Dexter trait, it's a trait that is found in virtually all mammals. Only in cattle has the A1 beta casein variant been found. A1 has been blamed for a lot of health problems, so we want to try to avoid it. A cow that is DNA tested to be A2/A2 produces no A1 in her milk. That's what makes an A2/A2 cow attractive.

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