Registration question

[Shades of Gray]

How many generations does it take to get registered offspring if the dam is purebred Jersey but not papered, and the sire is a registered Jersey?

[sammyd]

never.

No animal bred in the United States shall be registered until both its sire and dam are registered

[FEF]

Originally Posted by sammyd

never.

No animal bred in the United States shall be registered until both its sire and dam are registered

I didn't know that.

Is there only one Jersey registry?

EDITED TO ADD: For what it's worth, apparently these people do allow breeding up.

From the link: "The AJCA has encouraged the Genetic Recovery Program and Jersey
Expansion Program to allow the identification of animals. The Genetic Recovery Program permits females that show Jersey characteristics to enter the three steps, which leads to a registry in the AJCA Herd Register. The first generation for which identification is requested is the Original Animal (OA).
The daughter of an OA and known Registered Jersey sire is then called a Provisional Register (PR). PR progeny, sired by a Registered Jersey sire are known as a Genetic Recovery (GR) animals. Daughters and sons of GR dams and Registered Jersey sires are known as a Herd Register animals and also as Registered Jerseys™.

The Jersey Expansion program identifies female animals sired by a Registered Jersey parent and out of another-breed parent. The first generation will carry a prefix of J1. Progeny sired by Registered Jersey bulls can be recorded as OA under the rules of Genetic Recovery. For more information about permanent identification programs or help in bringing your animals
into the AJCA Herd Register, contact the Herd Services Department at 614.861.3636."

http://www.usjersey.com/Programs/08_ID_Made_Easy.pdf

Note that I'm not in any way recommending this. It's been my experience that people may spend more $$$ and time breeding up than just biting the bullet and buying a good, registered animal from the get go. But then we're not in the dairy business.

[Shades of Gray]

Thank you, that is what I meant, the breeding up part. I didn't know it would take that many generations.

[springvalley]

Originally Posted by Shades of Gray

Thank you, that is what I meant, the breeding up part. I didn't know it would take that many generations.

If it didn`t take that long , every Tom, Dick and Harry would be registering their half bred jersey`s into the breed registry. I personaly think it should take longer. > Thanks Marc

[dosthouhavemilk]

Frankly, I feel that animals that have a lapsed pedigree or anything in their pedigree that is not a registered Jersey should be in a separate herdbook. Like the way the ADGA herdbooks are set up with Grade, American and Purebred. Purebred is simply that, only registered stock of that breed in the pedigree. American indicates a lapsed registration somewhere, or the introduction of unknown or outside genetics. Grades are doelings that have a registered dam and/or sire but an unknown/unregistered ancestor in the first few generations. 50% Grade, 75% Grade and then doelings are American at 88%, but bucklings have to be born to Purebred/American parents. American can never become Purebred.

Having said that, we do make use of the Expansion Program and were one of the first herds to do so with our Norwegian Red crosses. The herdbook is first and foremost a way to maintain records of pedigrees. What we wanted. It was also nice to be able to have our crosses Linear Appraised and have records of their production. We maintain an NR in all crossbred offspring. Though at this stage we do not have any Jersey/Norwegian Reds left in the herd. Only those crossed with beef. Our crosses have been sold to another Grade A dairy farm where he appreciates them a lot. It simply came down to maintaining the Purebred Jersey heritage that has been part of this family since 1857. You can only use so many Jersey cows in milk.
In our case, the sires were the outcross. We have strong damlines and looked to Norwegian Red semen to outcross, too. No problem with Identifiying the offspring through AJCA. Even from our 3/4 Jersey, 1/4 Norwegian Red bull. His daughters went into the Genetic Recovery Program. He had an USA ID number and his full genetic history on record with AJCA. He was listed as Unrecorded.


Technically, those animals in breeding up should not be considered Purebred. They do end up in the herdbook, however.

You can have crosses entering the herdbook that still display the fact that they are crossbreeds.

[Shades of Gray]

I agree that crossbreds should not attain registered status, after all it's a whole nother breed in there somewhere. But from a purebred grade animal bred to a purebred registered animal, I would think it wouldn't take as long as it does to get the offspring registered. Breeding up is about my only option, as there arn't alot of Jerseys around here, and good luck trying to find a registered heifer calf. The one dairy I talked to retains ALL heifers, but they are willing to sell me a registered bull calf from a heavy milker who scored a 95 excellent.

[dosthouhavemilk]

Without a paper trail, whose to know if she is purebred or not?
It takes one less generation for Genetic Recovery than Jersey Expansion. By the 4th generation the calf is in the herdbook. 5 generations with Expansion as the first step.

It isn't as big a deal in the Jersey world as it is in the Nubian world. Jersey breeders don't tend to be as sticky about papers. Heck, they are using and selling PR bulls. Admittedly that is because it was found there was Holstein in a dam that sired a number of bulls in the lineups. They are still being used even though those offspring will not be in the Herd Registry but rather in the Genetic Recovery.

If Jerseys are that rare, then even an unregistered Jersey should do just fine. When buyers are looking for family cows, registration papers are usually last on their list. Health and handleability are by far more important.

If you are willing to work with issues, you can usually get ahold of older registered cull cows if you want the papers. You need to know what you are doing though.

Farmers may retain all the heifers, but at some point, they have to sell animals. At least at that point, it is better known how she is and what her udder is like.

We have rarely sold heifer calves and bred heifers. We sell first calf heifers though because we know how her udder is and her demeanor at that stage.