3/4 Mini Jersey 1/4 Dexter bull calf for Sale

[smit747]

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I have a nice little bull calf that is only 26 inches tall at almost 3 months old his mother is only 38 inches tall his father is 40 inches tall, his mother is going thru the dairy barn everyday and milking very well. He is weaned on his way being broke to lead and stand tied. He can be registered will furnish a application with him.

[francismilker]

Where is the calf located? What is the price? Folks will want to know.

[smit747]

I'm sorry that I didn't put the price , it is $600.00 I'm at Alton, MO

[65284]

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but register him as what? He can't be registered as either a Jersey or Dexter. He is a crossbred animal, and in my opinion, any sort of "registry" for such is clearly bogus.

Good luck, he is a pretty little bull, but I would be shocked if you get anywhere close to $600.00 for him. I was offered a pair of lively 2 week old purebred Jersey bull calves, at the farm, today for $75.00 ea. and declined.

[smit747]

Originally Posted by 65284

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but register him as what? He can't be registered as either a Jersey or Dexter. He is a crossbred animal, and in my opinion, any sort of "registry" for such is clearly bogus.

Good luck, he is a pretty little bull, but I would be shocked if you get anywhere close to $600.00 for him. I was offered a pair of lively 2 week old purebred Jersey bull calves, at the farm, today for $75.00 ea. and declined.

You sound harsh I guess I can too. All I'm going to say is I wish I was as smart as you think you are.

[Creamers]

He can be registered with the AMJA, right?
http://www.miniaturejerseyassociatio...ingProgram.htm

[65284]

Originally Posted by smit747

You sound harsh I guess I can too. All I'm going to say is I wish I was as smart as you think you are.

I'm smart enough to know what a crossbred mongrel bovine is. I don't care what some hokum "registry" says, a crossbred mutt animal is what it is!

[MO_cows]

You'll "furnish an application"????? So the buyer gets to submit the ap and pay the fees?? No, thanks. If I am buying registered stock, I'll expect the seller to put transferred papers in my hands. And that's the way we do it when we sell, too.

[Creamers]

It is standard in dairy goats when selling young stock, even for $500 and up, to just give an application. . .don't know. . with cows. . .it was the same for me. I paid a grand for my PB Jersey heifer, and got the application because she was 10 weeks old.
In dairy goats, 1st gen Miniature Nubians that I bred sell for $300 ea without an issue - they are a Nubian/ Nigerian cross, and when I bred 1st gen Kinders - 1/2 Pygmy 1/2 Nubian, I got the same price.
The advantage to the cross this person has for sale is the price of Miniature Jersey cattle is so high, a lot of folks can't even afford the Minis - if you get a cross you can breed up from at 1/2-1/4 the price and you don't have access to AI techs. . .the price isn't bad - if it is what you're looking for, IMO.
You can buy Jersey bull calves for $25 at dairies - $50 and up on craigslist, but a you can get a nice cow - Jersey - for $800 - where a crossed heifer as mentioned above will run you double that or more typically -

hokum "registry" says

If you look into the registry, you'll find, it isn't a hokum registery, at all

[smit747]

Creamers you are right on the registery he would be considered a Belmont, his mother is milking about 4 gallons a day as a second freshener, his grandmother is a full blood mini as is his dad. Thanks for the support I'm fixing to send his papers in to get him registered as it is cheaper before they turn 4 months old he was born on March 31.

[Levonsa]

Smit747, I think he is a handsome little guy. Some people don't see the benefiet or cost effectiveness of miniatures or cross breeding. For his size, I think you have a decent price on him. Place several adds on craigslist and you shouldn't have any problems selling him. There are a lot of people looking for small animals to keep on smaller farms, that just can't pay purebred prices that would be happy with him.

Good luck,

[farmgirl6]

What a good looking little bull! new to the board and a little taken aback by the, shall we say, unsolicited negative snipes as this is a social board, I would think such a lovely minature fellow would be worth his weight in gold and I hope he finds a lovely home! If you can get $600 for him I say well done!! granted I know little about cows, but I do know a cross bred in about any other species tends to be hardier!

[65284]

Originally Posted by Creamers

If you look into the registry, you'll find, it isn't a hokum registery, at all

Creamers, I am familiar with the registry in question. Its very purpose, "registering" crossbred cattle, is in my opinion, simply a business set up by some enterprising individuals. I think the Belmont “breed” and “registry" is pure unadulterated hokum, they are what they are, Jersey X Dexter crosses, nothing more!

I have a serious question for you. If I decided to cross registered miniature Herefords with registered Holsteins and call them Holfords or Heresteins and then attempted to legitimize them and enhance their value by establishing a "registry", would you consider it a legitimate breed and by extension a legitimate registry?

If not why not? It would be the same situation that exists with the so called Belmont breed and registry.

I have no problem with Jersey X Dexter crossbreeds. I breed them myself, and have found them to be excellent homestead animals. I recommend them to my customers as near ideal family cows, but I sell them for what they are, letting them stand on their own merit. In my opinion, any misleading name or faux registration would be farcical and nothing more than an attempted sucker hustle.

[MO_cows]

65284, don't you think there is any value to composite breeds? Brangus, Beefmaster, Santa Gertrudis, Simbrah, Durham Reds etc., many breeds that are in wide use today are composites. What is it about this particular registry you find to be bogus? Is it owned by an individual as a for-profit enterprise, instead of set up as a non-profit corporation (like legitimate registries almost always are)?

My issues with the OP were 1) posting here instead of Barter Board, and 2) selling as registered stock but putting the work and the cost of the registration off on the buyer.

Didn't mean to be harsh, just honest. I have worked with several different registries and been on the receiving end of nightmare 3rd party paperwork, trying to get it straightened out for an enthusiastic new buyer who bought from the wrong person and is crushed and upset when their paperwork doesn't meet the standards/rules.

[65284]

MO Cows,

Yes there is value in composite breeds, I endorse their use as commercial animals, just feel registration of them is phony. I said I raise the Jersey X Dexter crosses and find them to be useful animals.

As I stated a good bull or cow should speak for themselves by their conformation and productivity. Too many less than knowledgeable folks buy less than quality animals simply because they are shown a fancy registration certificate.

I don't know about the ownership of the registry in question, it's the fact that they are registering crossbreds that bothers me. I've always believed a registry should be a repository of information pertaining to the lineage of an individual within a specified breed of animal, a means of preserving, as far as possible, the purity of said animals.

Anything else, including any so called registration of composites, is in my opinion bogus, including those you mentioned. Useful yes, should they be registered, no. If just about anything is going to be registered, what's the point, why bother with a registry at all?

But that's just an old geezer’s opinion; I realize I out of step with the modern do or say anything to make the sale world.

[farmerchris]

I found this post thru a google search, so I signed up to be a memeber of the forum so that I could find you(and hopefully this bull). I ahve had to wait 2 days to be accepted so that I could post!!!!

Whew! I have been looking for a mini jerey bull. I am very interested. I will try to contact you thru this forum by looking for an email, but please respond so that I know if he is available.

Chris

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by 65284

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but register him as what? He can't be registered as either a Jersey or Dexter. He is a crossbred animal, and in my opinion, any sort of "registry" for such is clearly bogus.

Good luck, he is a pretty little bull, but I would be shocked if you get anywhere close to $600.00 for him. I was offered a pair of lively 2 week old purebred Jersey bull calves, at the farm, today for $75.00 ea. and declined.

I agree. This recent trend toward miniature cattle, and other livestock species, is mostly bogus, but gullible people are swollowing it left and right. A few pure breeds like Dexters and miniature Zebus aside, most of these so-called new miniature breeds are nothing more than mutts, the "purest" going back only a few generations at most. These so-called miniature Jersies are nothing more than naturally small individuals that are bound to occur within the size range of any breed, and they are not that much smaller than a normal Jersey. A Jersey X Dexter isn't going to make an efficient animal. It will dilute the production potential of the Jersey, while not really reducing the size all that much. Jersies are small to begin with. The Dexter influence isn't going to do anything to improve temperament at best. At worst it's going to harm it. A heifer with the same percenatges might have some limited value if someone has convinced themselves that that's what they want to use in a breeding program, but a bull, none. Composite breeds have some use, mostly beef, as in a terminal cross with hybrid vigor, but one would be much better just selecting naturally small Jersies to breed down size if they must, rather than ruining them with any Dexter influence. They're just going to create a cute small animal that will not excell at dairy or meat. We already have that. It's called the Dexter. PT Barnum was right. Apparently you can sell anything to people who are just that not that sophisticated with regard to genetics and breeding, if it looks cute and caters to their emotions. They'll learn eventually, but it might be an expensive lesson.

[myersfarm]

I always wonder. What happens if a reg. one grow to 50 inches tall is it still Reg .

[lakeportfarms]

Originally Posted by Patrick

I agree. This recent trend toward miniature cattle, and other livestock species, is mostly bogus, but gullible people are swollowing it left and right. A few pure breeds like Dexters and miniature Zebus aside, most of these so-called new miniature breeds are nothing more than mutts, the "purest" going back only a few generations at most. These so-called miniature Jersies are nothing more than naturally small individuals that are bound to occur within the size range of any breed, and they are not that much smaller than a normal Jersey. A Jersey X Dexter isn't going to make an efficient animal. It will dilute the production potential of the Jersey, while not really reducing the size all that much. Jersies are small to begin with. The Dexter influence isn't going to do anything to improve temperament at best. At worst it's going to harm it. A heifer with the same percenatges might have some limited value if someone has convinced themselves that that's what they want to use in a breeding program, but a bull, none. Composite breeds have some use, mostly beef, as in a terminal cross with hybrid vigor, but one would be much better just selecting naturally small Jersies to breed down size if they must, rather than ruining them with any Dexter influence. They're just going to create a cute small animal that will not excell at dairy or meat. We already have that. It's called the Dexter. PT Barnum was right. Apparently you can sell anything to people who are just that not that sophisticated with regard to genetics and breeding, if it looks cute and caters to their emotions. They'll learn eventually, but it might be an expensive lesson.

I wonder if that is what people said when the Dexter cattle breed was originated? Who is the authority on what makes up a breed, and when is the cutoff date for no further additions to the list?

[Laura Workman]

Originally Posted by 65284

MO Cows,

Yes there is value in composite breeds, I endorse their use as commercial animals, just feel registration of them is phony. I said I raise the Jersey X Dexter crosses and find them to be useful animals.

As I stated a good bull or cow should speak for themselves by their conformation and productivity. Too many less than knowledgeable folks buy less than quality animals simply because they are shown a fancy registration certificate.

I don't know about the ownership of the registry in question, it's the fact that they are registering crossbreds that bothers me. I've always believed a registry should be a repository of information pertaining to the lineage of an individual within a specified breed of animal, a means of preserving, as far as possible, the purity of said animals.

Anything else, including any so called registration of composites, is in my opinion bogus, including those you mentioned. Useful yes, should they be registered, no. If just about anything is going to be registered, what's the point, why bother with a registry at all?

But that's just an old geezer’s opinion; I realize I out of step with the modern do or say anything to make the sale world.

What about if people, like you, think a cross is a useful animal and fills a need not filled by other animals, and they want to work with the animals, standardize them based on particular breeding goals, and establish them until they will breed true generation after generation? Would a registry formed to aid them in keeping track of bloodlines and breeding for consistency in the desired traits be "bogus"? Keep in mind, now that the United Kennel Club, among others, fits this description (see English Shepherds, in particular). Do you think the UKC, which has been around for over 100 years, is a "modern do or say anything to make a sale" registry?