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Old 04/18/11, 10:25 AM
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Some advice? Thinking about selling the milkcow..

So we have our cow Bess, she is in good condition and had a calf in September. The bull invited himself over last Thanksgiving and then about a month or so ago, Bess started mounting her calf. So we brought the bull back over and he stayed for a couple of days and then went back home. Well, Bess was mounting her calf again last week. Now the calf spends most of his time play fighting and jumping on her ALL the time, not just every now and then, I mean ALL the time, typical bull behavior we figured. But if Bess is mounting him, I'm guessing she hasn't taken.

If the bull is not getting her I hesitate to have her AIed, because well, that's more money we got it esimated at $120-170 plus gas money for the AI tech to come out.

Even after freshening the most we have ever gotten from her was a gallon and a half and I hear of people getting 6-8?? We are getting a couple of nubian goats and I'm seriously considering selling Bess.

If we were to sell her, I could probably take the money and buy a milk machine and probably a bottle baby heifer. It would be a couple of years, but I would have the goats in the mean time. I just think having Bess and the bull not being able to get her after a couple of visits, I just hesitate to put much else into her. I mean I could probably arrange to have her live with a local beef herd for a couple of months and that would probably get her bred. But all that work for a gallon and a half?

Am I being realistic in thinking that buying a milk machine and a jersey heifer calf would probably be better in the long run? Of course there is the whole problem with first calving, but first calving would be better than no calving... It's just a shame because Bess has a beautiful udder and we've contemplating AIing her with a nice Jersey bull, but what good is a nice udder if it only gives a gallon and a half?

I'm not upset, just trying to figure out the best course of action. I think with the dairy goats, I could go without fresh cow's milk for a couple of years. And selling Bess would give me the money to purchase a milk machine for the goats and the heifer when it comes time.

I would appreciate any advice or suggestions. Two years seems like a long time to wait for that fresh milk, but since Bess hasn't bred back, it will be a year until we get more milk from her anyway.
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Old 04/18/11, 12:33 PM
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You can order a test kit to have her pregnancy tested. It's not expensive and there are instructions how to collect the sample.

http://www.biotracking.com/

There's a possibility that you're not getting Bess's full capacity. When you hear those big numbers for milk production, they're for a cow with no calf, extra supplements, twice a day milking, and possibly hormone treatment.

Bess's failure to catch might not be her problem. It could be the bull's problem or the possibility that his visit wasn't timed with her cycle. She's only receptive for a few hours each cycle.

Nubians are good milking goats, with some of the best tasting goats' milk, but it doesn't taste like cows' milk. Your family may not be willing to switch.

You can try a different bull or wait a while to see if her calf settles her in a month or so. He's old enough now for some breeds to be fertile.

You can wean him now to see how much more milk you can get from her.

You can also experiment with extra feed to see how it affects her milk output.

What breed is she? How big is she? Are all her quarters sound and do they all give the same amount? Do you strip her every time you milk her? Do you milk her once or twice a day? Where is the cream line in her milk after 24 hours? How good are your pastures? Are you still feeding hay? Where are you located?

If one or more of those questions shows something that is a problem, then another cow may not perform a whole lot better in the same situation.

A cow in the lush pastures of North Carolina can easily outperform a cow in the barren fields of New Mexico.

Milk is never free. We pay for it with the effort we put into it and sometimes with the feed we provide the cow.
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Old 04/18/11, 01:19 PM
 
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Definitely test first. My friend was getting very mad at her bull because apparently he was the only thing in the pasture not seen mounting anything. The cows were mounting, the steers were mounting and he just stood there and chewed cud... She figured it was futile, but decided to test them and both cows are pregnant! And still yoohooing at the neighbor's bull over the fences! So, don't let mounting decide your pregnancy test :-)
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Old 04/18/11, 02:16 PM
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Some pregnant cows are just horny too. They will mount if settled or not. I agree with everything genebo posted.
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Old 04/18/11, 07:52 PM
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I looked at the biotracking site and was curious. How much does it cost to have the samples analyzed? The smallest kit they have is $15 which isn't bad, but I was wondering how much it costs to have the samples tested.

I'm glad to hear that the mounting can be displayed even when bred. Thanksgiving the bull hopped the fence and hasn't been back, so I figured he took care of business. He even jumped back over the fence a couple days later when he was done. So when she started mounting the calf, we thought "uh oh" and asked the neighbor to borrow the bull, so we herded him over here. He mounted her twice and then spent the rest of the night and the next morning being buddy buddy with the calf, could have cared less about the cow. I always figured that if she ever came back into heat, if he did it once, he would simply hop the fence again, but hasn't.

I'll have her biotracked. She not showing at all, but she wouldn't be due until about September.

Thanks everyone.
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Old 04/18/11, 08:49 PM
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The test itself is very cheap. If I remember right it's around $2.50. You'll spend more in shipping and supplies than with the actual test. It's an awesome tool though.
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Old 12/16/11, 01:29 PM
 
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Yes test her its better to know .infertill bull is not unheard of if he is settling the other cattle he is probly not the problem Even If all is ok You seem unsatisfied with her perfomance why not start a new heifer replacement
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birdman1, this thread is from mid-April.
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Old 12/16/11, 04:35 PM
 
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[QUOTE=Up North;5077748]Some pregnant cows are just horny too. QUOTE]

Even if they are polled?
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