non-bloating legumes ?

[sticky_burr]

well does anyone graize/hay high % non bloating legumes?
looking at the benifits / drawbacks so if anyone has a opinion
so far searching has come up with ..
Birdsfoot Trefoil CP 13%~21%
Cider Milkvetch CP 15%-30% is all i found they may be selling it
Sainfoin CP 13%-18%
lespedeza CP 13%-16% read its warm weather stuff no good for me
Crownvetch CP 12%-25%

ok as for concerns tannin levels. and bounce back on tight daily rotation ie 1/2 acre per day tween a few dexters and turkeys. and early spring growth, perhaps this can be covered with a early emergence grass, suggestion? how high can you go with 50% 75% 100% lol . i want to follow with camelina / millet corn etc in rotation

[genebo]

I don't know about non-bloating legumes. I put out two Sweetlix Bloat blocks at a time for about 10 Dexters and a dozen goats. As soon as they get small, I put out fresh ones.

I also keep Therabloat on hand. It's a small bottle of liquid that you mix with about a pint of water and drench the cow with. Therabloat has saved my 16 year old goat twice. Once I get it down her, she starts to burp and pass gas and is OK in short order.

Genebo
Paradise Farm

[bruce2288]

I have oversown birdsfoot in a couple of pastures and am very happy with it. Maybe 10% so no help their. Not very fast to establish. I am not sure how any of these would be if you are talking on an annual rotation. Crownvetch seed was very expensive last time I looked.

[sticky_burr]

its apparently not tannin, that they add to water, that prevents bloat i read as they tryed feeding high alphafa % and adding tannin concentrate to the water and they bloateed

[MO_cows]

They make "bloat blocks" for cattle that are grazing legumes like alfalfa and I think the key ingredient is magnesium. Planting a mixture of grasses and legumes would minimize the risk too.

[agmantoo]

How would this make you feel regarding bloat"

Rather than concerning how to not feed legumes that bloat you may need to learn how to cope with problem forages that are high yielding and remain productive in your area.

[sticky_burr]

yes i have been looking into it, well looking at more northernly part of the state for possible forages. but also looking at alternitive feeds if i can safely squeeze 10%+ extra protien in with out any 'funny business' ie loads of meals and pellets. this is why i ask.
if people fed high percentage 'bloat safe' legumes that produce more protein per # and fix nitrogen to fit my plan and they bounce back after grazing. or some one much wiser hand at this would have some site that has infomation i could read and process. than this would be the exact info i am hoping for. or if people have concern s on doing this that too would be useful
but given the option i'd rather plant a 'safer' varitey. or avoid just planting a little of everything and having trial and error
.. erm long story short yep

[oregon woodsmok]

If it is just protien you want, orchard grass is pretty good for protien and it's grass. The orchard grass hay should be about 14-16% and that's close to alfalfa.

The old farmers around here tell me that one of the colors of clover is a lot safer and doesn't bloat, but I'll be darned if I can remember which one. Probably affected by growing conditions, anyway.

[springvalley]

I have red clover in my pastures and have never had a problem with it, I know aslike and white clover is not good, and can cause problems. > Marc