HT splicing Q. about crimpers

[ufo_chris]

Ok, another High Tensile Question:
I put up fence before and used the simple crimping tool that just puts one straight crimp across the sleeve. It's held up fine except for one wire one time but that could have been something else ,the others are all fine.
Anyways, bought this new crimper from kencove, the red handled one, and it presses the sleeve all the way around .
The guy that pounded my posts said these are better.
Problem is ,I'm doing this by myself and its very hard to get the sleeve in the right position without someone holding it.
I'm tempted to go back to my old one.
What do you guys think?
Thanks,Chris

[Bret]

I have a pair of yellow handle crimpers. Back in the jaw it cuts and in front it just crimps. I crimp each sleeve three times. I tried one time and two times for a while. I was always going back. Thee seems to do it. It does take time and it is awkward.

I sometimes wander if the other type would be better.

[agmantoo]

ufo_chris

Let me share something that I do. Put the sleeve on one wire and with about 1/2 inch held by your pliers bend the wire 90 degrees. Now the sleeve cannot get off the wire. Insert the other wire into the sleeve and bend that wire 90 degrees also with about 1/2 inch length in the end. The sleeve is now containing the two wires captive. You should now be able to position the sleeve where you want it in the crimper. Rest the tool on the ground with one of the crimper arms up and the other on the ground. Put both hands on the crimper arm that is up and push down using your arms and body. PS..... you need the full sleeve crimped as you new tool does for maximum strength. The little 90 bend also helps in preventing the wire from escaping the sleeve.

[ramiller5675]

I usually use a sleeve and pull about 10-12 inches through the sleeve, give it a little kink to hold it (similar to Agmantoo's suggestion), crimp the sleeve, then leaving the crimping tool on the sleeve for leverage, I tightly wrap the tail around the wire and snap it off with the backwards motion deal (similar to how you wrap it when tying an insulator to an end post, etc.). It leaves a neat looking splice and no sharp edges in case I ever run my hand along the uncharged wire or decide to roll it up and move it someday.

Powerflex has a how-to article with pictures that might better explain the method.

http://www.powerflexfence.com/how-to...ng-hi-tensile/

[ufo_chris]

Agmantoo ,thanks as always! I was doing some ends today and was having a heck of a time. This new tool I have to open just about all the way to get the sleeve in ,I do have it on the ground ,I could never close it without being there, but it is so hard because it is in the way open position (like doing a split) , when I grab the handle to close it it always either moves of the sleeve or it's in the wrong position on it where you can't crimp it. It's very hard to close it just a little to grip it in the right position before I put all my weight into it.
So I guess its more of a problem getting the sleeve in the upright position then it moving away from the tool.
Bret- those sound like my old ones...I can't remember if you were supposed to put more than one crimp in them,I think they said just one ,but I have used 2 before.
Ramiller thanks ,I clicked on the link and am wondering if I can wrap 200 wire like that?
This is all using the c23 sleeves (2 -3 at a time),I should have gotten the long ones.
Actually I do have some from TSC that I was going to return ,they are long and a gold color,would those be ok?
Thanks,Chris

[ramiller5675]

"...wondering if I can wrap 200 wire like that?..."

The only wire I have experience with is the 200K psi high tensile wire.

It seems to wrap tightly and break cleanly if you leave a long enough "tail" for a handle, wrap it pretty fast so it sort of gets warm, then quickly bend it backwards to snap it off before it cools down. It is actually easier to do than describe, practice the method a few times to figure it out.