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03/10/10, 05:03 PM
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Another Mad Cow in Canada
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The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) is reporting a confirmed case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) in the Province of Alberta. The cow was a purebred Black Angus born in 2004 that died on farm; the animal was tested as part of Canada's routine BSE surveillance.
The CFIA laboratory confirmed BSE-positive on BioRad rapid screen testing. The animal has been incinerated at the laboratory, the birth farm has been located, and feed and epidemiological investigations are ongoing. No part of the animal entered into the human food chain
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03/10/10, 10:31 PM
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In Remembrance
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I am 100% convinced BSE is spontaneous, much like CJD. In Great Britian something triggered the outbreak.
I've seen the figure CJD is the cause of roughly 1/1M human deaths. Same rate in cattle? Who knows? In the past how many cases of BSE were attributed to staggers? How many dead animals were simply buried when found?
When I was visiting relatives in Croatia in 2001 one cousin asked if we had 'angry' cows in the U.S. It is all in the translation.
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03/10/10, 11:02 PM
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Wonder how long it'll be before the US closes the border for dairy cattle trading and gives milk prices a boost?
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03/11/10, 03:45 AM
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Wonder how long it'll be before the US closes the border for dairy cattle trading and gives milk prices a boost?
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Not likely, but we can hope.
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03/11/10, 05:50 AM
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How long before we test the same as Canada does ,and find more bse than they have??????????????????
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03/11/10, 07:19 AM
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The NAIS people will no doubt make the most of this. And no, I don't think that war is over.
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03/11/10, 08:37 AM
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The NAIS people will no doubt make the most of this. And no, I don't think that war is over.
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Not to mention the tree hugging activists. Weren't they the ones who promised that this wouldn't happen when we stopped feeding meat and bone meal? 
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03/11/10, 11:02 AM
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Wonder how long it'll be before the US closes the border for dairy cattle trading and gives milk prices a boost?
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Not sure it would help you. Last I heard is that the past 4 months or so, there are more US heifers coming north than Canadian heifers heading south.
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03/13/10, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken Scharabok
I am 100% convinced BSE is spontaneous, much like CJD. In Great Britian something triggered the outbreak.
I've seen the figure CJD is the cause of roughly 1/1M human deaths. Same rate in cattle? Who knows? In the past how many cases of BSE were attributed to staggers? How many dead animals were simply buried when found?
When I was visiting relatives in Croatia in 2001 one cousin asked if we had 'angry' cows in the U.S. It is all in the translation.
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I think you may be right Ken. There is a very similar disease in wild deer populations and this has been recorded in several states. Now deer are not going to get the disease by eating other animal remains as they are 100 percent herbivores. I have wondered for quite a while now how the deer can be "picking up" this infection. If they what know, do know, they ain't sayin. 
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03/13/10, 07:32 AM
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Years ago at a party the hostess mentioned her brother was in England. He reported deer there had been reported catching and eating rabbits. I visited with jd belanger no too longer after and he scoffed at the idea. Well, jd just happens to have an extensive library. In one old USDA Yearbook I found an article on deer being observed catching fish from a drying up pool and eating them.
I suspect it is a calcium deficiency thing. The deer may chew on old bones and dropped antlers for the calcium in them.
Squirrels can get the equivalent of MCD. In some part of the country squirrel brains are considered to be a delicacy. When one aunt visited we always had a pot of checkin head and feet soup. Dad would crack open the heads and eat the brains (and perhaps tongue). He also like hog brains and scrambled eggs about once a year. At that time the local Winn-Dixie carried brains. I've also read there were restaurants around the Chicago stockyard which specialized in sliced beef brain sandwiches. Sheep brains are used in parts of the UK.
Unmentionable Cruisine by Calvin W. Schwabe has numerous recipes for brains.
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03/13/10, 09:34 AM
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Deer in the US have been observed eating young ground nesting birds.
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03/13/10, 12:31 PM
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The latest theories on CJD/BSE points towards it being a spontaneous mutation of a normal PrPc protein(known as a prion) into a PrPsc protein. Part of the protein structure is altered and folds back on itself with free ends to which other proteins are attached and altered turning it into a long fibrous strand which in turn becomes plaque and causes the surrounding tissues to interconnect differently altering function and giving the infected animals the "swiss cheese brain." This PrP mutation is also attributed to scrapie in sheep.
So yes it is spontaneous mutation (just like every other disease) but animals without the mutation are infected when they eat the PrPsc prion.
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03/13/10, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanda
How long before we test the same as Canada does ,and find more bse than they have??????????????????
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Both Canada and the US do random sampling.
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03/13/10, 09:49 PM
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As linn said, the NAIS, or what ever they will be called now, is going the ride this horse till it can`t run no more. And yes the war is yet to begun,but we need to rally to stop them. I have never seen deer eat a rabbit or bird, but think it strange if they do. This will open up a whole new can of worms. Thanks Marc
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03/14/10, 01:12 AM
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No doubt that if the CIA didn't have a hand in creating Mad Cow disease in a tiny off-shore Lab, just to create an excuse for NAIS, they were thinking about doing it. All this so they can implant chips on every rural family member and collect data on how offten you go pee at night. Geeeez.
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03/14/10, 11:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by haypoint
Both Canada and the US do random sampling.
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The sample rate is not the same. Also I have been around cattle and cattle producers in the US for well over 50 years and can not find anyone that ever had one tested for BSE that died on the farm.
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03/14/10, 01:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by haypoint
Both Canada and the US do random sampling.
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Canada tests more than the US and here its legal for you to test your herd whereas the US has strict guidlines......sounds 'fishy'!
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