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Old 01/31/10, 10:03 AM
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Anyone milk small number of cows & sell to the coops?

I'm just curious if a person could start milking 15 of 20 cows and sell to the coops. I know it probably depends on the area in which you live if there are other dairies to stop at. I have been seriously considering it for a while now. With cows this low I could afford to buy 20-25 good cows or bred heifers and still have some money to buy feed if I had too. The place we own has a double 10 parlor(it was built in '97 so still decent shape) on it that seems to be just going to waste by not using it. I know we wouldn't make much money with this few of cows but a good place to start. Let me know if you milk and sell to the coops. Thanks Nicholas
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Old 01/31/10, 11:56 AM
 
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we do not... but the fellow we bought our family milk cow from ran a small organic cow dairy, milked 25 cows and sold it to the organic coop in western wisconsin (blanking on the name).
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Old 01/31/10, 02:09 PM
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buddy of mine bought 20, milks in his brothers barn using buckets.
He's basically working for free since he had to outfit the barn to milk in and his milk check goes towards feed and the loans.
The last dip to 9 dollar milk didn't help matters.
Milking 20 in a double 10 parlor.....how big is the bulk tank, will 20 cows worth even reach the agitator on the first milking? Running a setup built for a lot of cows may not be cost efficient for a very small number of cows.
Will any local plant accept small herds?
But if dairying is your goal you have to start somewhere.
I'd probably try it.
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Old 02/01/10, 07:10 AM
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You baught (didn't finance) and own a double ten parlour that is only thirteen years old?

If that's the case go all in! Why stop at 20? It makes no sense. You already have a huge advantage over anyone else with similar starting aspirations.

Why stop at twenty? Buy another 180 head and milk cows!

I never understand people who believe that twenty cows will make them more money than 1 cow or 100 head will. Most folks I know who think this is a good plan (typically) have never dairy farmed in their life. My point is, once you have 20 head your life is now dairy cows. It's not like beef farming/ranching. So, why not make it more worth your while and milk the crap out of 200 head, sell them off if it don't work, and get out if you want to?

To the OP.. granted I have no idea of your background. I'm sure you are a smart, hardworking, and dedicated individual, but do you believe you are somehow coming up with an idea most other dairy farmers currently in production in the area have neglected to see? If so, like I said, go all in. Don't dilly-dally around. Get out there and show them how it's done.

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Old 02/01/10, 10:25 AM
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Milk coops in my area wouldn't even think about coming for less than 150 head worth of milk. The dairys are just too far in between now. I think I'm 40 miles from the closest one now since the last CWT buyout.
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Old 02/01/10, 02:06 PM
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Our co-op picks up several small herds. The stop before us sends 750 lbs on every other day pickup. The truck driver says it takes more time to hook up and rinse the tank then it does to pump the milk out.
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It's so sad that people can't milk a small herd anymore, It hasn't been that long ago that I worked testing butterfat for dairies. I went to a different, small (from 30 to 150 cows) farm four days a week. There were a lot of family dariys in this part of the country. A lot of the Amish and Menonite families milked and supported their family, now they're all gone.
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A few things you should check into first. Where to market your milk. Northwest iowa still has plenty of dairy around in the area. Might beable to find a small cheese factory looking to pick up a bit more milk. Second, the size of your bulk tank. Might want to find a smaller one if your going to stay with 25 head milking. But, do not sell the big one. Have it capped off and stored. Never know when you may expand. Right now we are on a down side of lactation. We have a 300 gallon tank and its more then plenty to hold a weeks worth of milk right now.
Look at it this way if you have low over head you can make it on a small herd. This farm is all but payed for short of the operating expenses. When we hit summer grass we will be almost filling our tank every day. But, do not over extend on cattle more then you can produce for feed for in the winter. We have been down sizing the last few yrs to reduce the amouont of hay we have to buy for winter. Right now we are running 39 head of heifers from 6 mo to springers, then we have around 50 milk cows in all stages. Plus we have a 6 beefers and 4 steers. We had a rough wet summer or else we would not be buying any hay this yr. Filled our silo and made a bag for the outsdie cattle from extra good corn crop. Plus the barn was filled with small squares too. We done this off a 165 acre farm and we graze pasture in the summer. Also we green chop sudan for the cows too in the summer.
Its just depends on what you have for size of farm and how envolded the rest of your famliy will be with you.
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Old 02/02/10, 07:00 AM
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Our co-op picks up several small herds. The stop before us sends 750 lbs on every other day pickup. The truck driver says it takes more time to hook up and rinse the tank then it does to pump the milk out.
I think he's talking about jugging milk to these so called "cooperative" stores. People who shop at those places call them "co-ops" like we call our milk producers a co-op.

I could be wrong, though.
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Old 02/02/10, 06:05 PM
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Thanks for the responses

I am referring to the coops that pick up milk from all the dairies. Actually the DFA field rep stopped today just to see what was happening with our farm. Last summer we had someone that was interested in buying and were already dairy farmers. The DFA rep said it would probably take at least 20 cows for our 2000 gallon tank. I know one of you said just get 200 cows. Well 200 cows is just slightly out of the budget. Yes we did finance our place. We sold our last place and had alot of cash to put down. We ended up putting over 25 percent down and have payed it down quite a bit more. We are going to try and sell another acreage that we own this summer(yes own,not financed!) and maybe buy cows. We'll see!
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WOW, 2000 gallon tank. Do some looking to have a smaller one switched in if you want to stay small. With 20 it will take some time before it reachs the paddle. Just go with what your land and help can support. You will make more money by milking what you can raise feed for then having to buy majority of your feed.
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Old 02/03/10, 09:12 AM
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I am referring to the coops that pick up milk from all the dairies. Actually the DFA field rep stopped today just to see what was happening with our farm. Last summer we had someone that was interested in buying and were already dairy farmers. The DFA rep said it would probably take at least 20 cows for our 2000 gallon tank. I know one of you said just get 200 cows. Well 200 cows is just slightly out of the budget. Yes we did finance our place. We sold our last place and had alot of cash to put down. We ended up putting over 25 percent down and have payed it down quite a bit more. We are going to try and sell another acreage that we own this summer(yes own,not financed!) and maybe buy cows. We'll see!
You have made some wise financial moves and I applaud you, sincerily.

You are sitting on a business right now. What you have is a very rare property and the even rarer ability to expand on it imediatly.

With the equity you have you could easily go to FSA or Production Credit and negotiate a farm loan for, let's say.. fifty head, hold onto the cash from the sale of your other property (don't tell the lender about it, they'll try and tie it into the farm loan as asset), or use it to rehab and update equipment. Then you'll have enough cows to use that huge tank, or put in a smaller one.

I'm glad you have this opportunity. You are fortunate the co-op will stop for twenty head. Will they continue to stop as your production goes down from your herd drying up? Will you replace your dry cows with fresh cows to keep in production? The trucking bill may become pretty hefty when you are only milking a few cows waiting for the rest to come fresh. If staying to your number of twenty producing head is priority do you intend on raising your own replacement calves/heifers or selling the calves and buying replacements? The latter will cost more capital, but save on time, money, feed, equipment, meds, etc to raise heifers. The former of the two will alow you to breed as you wish, hoping your AI sires throw heifer calves. If they throw bulls, with the exception of holding a few back for steered beef, that's more loss waiting for replacements to mature.

I bring these points up not because I'm looking for an answer from you, but rather these are things you should be considering now before buying a herd.
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Old 02/03/10, 07:44 PM
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We currently own 63 acres, 30 of them are tillable and 10 are in pasture. The rest are CRP and building site so we couldnt grow much of our feed but some.
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