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Old 06/03/09, 07:04 PM
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Abscess - not mastitis

The vet screened the exude from Violet's teat and said that it is an abscess and that nothing can be done about it. Apparently, antibiotics won't even help. He said to watch her and, if she goes off her feed, we'll put her on antibiotics. He said that he has never seen an abscessed quarter recover.

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Boy, it just goes from bad to worse for her. I'm sure sorry to hear about that.
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Sigh.........sorry for more bad news. Hows that pretty calf doing?
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Old 06/04/09, 01:36 AM
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The calf is beautiful and friendly.

Has anyone dealt with an abscess in the udder? No hope then?
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Most likely it will break out through the udder wall and drain. Which looks terrible but it good for the cow as it gets rid of the toxins and keep her from being so sick. Then it will gradually heal up.

Sorry to hear it but at least she has a quarter to raise the calf with. Glad the calf is doing well!

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that is hard news. No doubt about it.

Glad the calf is doing well. Hoping that Violet perks up soon.
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Not in a cow . But a couple of times in people.

I surprised he didn't drain it. It is an old addage that the treatment for an abscess is drainage - cut it open and drain it. Thats what I thought had been done to the quarter that was out when you got her - although I'd never cut it all the way down to the nipple in a human.

Anyhow, I guess your vet is expecting it will drain on it's own, which generally they do, but meanwhile she's sick, and can get sicker. I've never watched and abscess in a human. It's faster to drain it - decreases healing time and pain, and you can control the exit point - which in this case you would want to be as far down (so it drains well) as possible.

The key with draining an abscess is that you need to have a large enough opening that it wound just close up at the skin before the abscess cavity has time to heal. In humans, in areas where you need to avoid a larger scar, I will use a smaller incision shaped like a + with the 4 tips of skin cut off, and place a drain. In an area that don't show or with larger abscesses, I'd use a larger incision shaped like an elipse. Generally I pack these with gauze and change the gauze twice a day, but I don't expect a cow would let you do this, so I'd just let it drain.

Sorry for your troubles.

How is that little heiffer doing? Can you post some photos?
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It sounds like the abcess is already draining internally - into the quarter. There is nothing to cut open in that situation, and it rarely drains completely and heals. Just keeps up a low level infection continuously until it scars in. This is probably the same infection that cost her the other quarters. Micro abcesses can drain into the udder circulation and spread the infection from one quarter to another. Eventually the entire udder scars up. Also, be watchful with her heifer. Feeding mastitic milk to calves has been known to cause problems with the bacteria colonizing them as well.
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That makes sense. Should have thought of that.
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Old 06/04/09, 06:07 PM
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So you all recommend that I watch and put her on antibiotics only if she appears/acts ill? Should I pull the calf? The remaining quarter seems fine. I did the CMT on the milk coming from it and it was fine.

Geez, that's just nasty. You would think that an infection could be cured.
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The problem with an abscess is that is a cavity. To cure an infection, you have to be able to get white blood cells to the bacteria. With that cavity, the blood stops at the wall of the cavity - it can't get to the bacteria in the center of the cavity. That's why the solution is drainage - it allows all the fluid to get out, and then the stuff left on the walls can be taken care of by the cow, and begin to heal in.

If she is adequately drained she should do OK. Apparently she's draining out the nipple well enough, or the vet would have cut her to drain the cavity. If she doesn't get better, I'd consider cutting it open to get good drainage anyhow...I don't see how it could hurt anything, and it certainly could help.

But really, you're best of trusting your vet - He's there and I'm not, not to mention the fact that I work on people not cows!

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Another thing that makes treating mastitis difficult, is that the antibiotic is continuously being diluted by milk that is produced in the quarter. It is hard to keep the drug concentration consistently high enough to kill off a resistant bacteria. And while the infection may eventually be cured, the delicate milk producing cells that line the inside walls of the udder may have been damaged or killed off completely, leaving nonproductive scar tissue and a dead quarter.
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