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Old 07/08/08, 01:35 PM
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Mini Angus

I am thinking of making the plunge next year into beef cattle and a local ranch has the mini Angus, and that is the "rage" here. Can you tell me about them, should I still split one, how big do they get and what are your experiences if any with them?
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Old 07/08/08, 04:20 PM
 
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Smaller cattle are in theory more efficient than larger cattle at turning feed into beef. I say theory, because obviousely when it comes to an individual cow, there might be a larger one that's very efficient and a smaller one that wasn't and it might not be true for those two specific cows, but on average, the smaller cows are supposed to be more feed efficient.

The problem with the lowline angus cattle is that they are, as you said, "all the rage" right now. Which means they're expensive. So, if your just looking to raise a cow to feed your family, I think there are better options. If you want to start a business... well I think you'd need to do a ton of research into the cattle market etc to know what the right animal for your circumstances is.

How much land / pasture do you have? What is the condition of those pastures, and more importantly their fences? Talk to your extension agent and find out how many acres it takes to support a cow in your area - some areas it might be as low as an acre. Others it might be 5 acres or more per animal. Your extension agent will know.

If you decide to go with smaller cows, you should at least take a look at dexters. They're much less expensive, readily available and probably just as feed efficient. Other smaller cows are mini-herefords and zebu. Also, you might look at "square-meaters" which are small but don't consider themselves to be miniatures.

If you're just looking to raise a calf to eat later, you might consider bottle raising a dairy calf. You can usually get a dairy calf quite inexpensively. A lot of work, but I understand it can pay off quite well as a source of inexpensive beef.

Best of luck!

Oh. Another good site for cattle information is www.cattletoday.com. They're a very knowledgeable group. Read there for a few days and you'll learn a lot! I sure did.

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Old 07/08/08, 04:36 PM
 
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I say beware of things that are "all the rage" . Remember when emus and pot bellied pigs were "all the rage"?

But If you're going to do this I would very much agree with ArmyDoc.
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Old 07/09/08, 01:28 PM
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Beef for Family

We are looking at beef for the family and we are in the High Desert of So. California so no pasture land, just a pen area. I am on 5 acres so one cow will not be a problem. Affordability is important since we have to provide the feed. So maybe a dairy cow?
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Old 07/09/08, 06:38 PM
 
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High desert? Whew! Everything I've read is on how to finish on pasture, so I really don't know how much feed you are going to need to plan on. But with the way feed prices are rising, I would find that out first and foremost - I know of a lot of ranchers that are selling right now because the drought has decreased the grass growth and they can't afford feed costs. Of course, they don't just have one cow....

Dairy calves are cheap because the dairy farmer doesn't want bull calves - they want the cow to produce milk. Often, they don't even want heiffers for the same reason. But they get rid of the calf early - so they need a lot of TLC to avoid scours and other problems. But then, that's why they're so cheap...

Another option is to look for an inexpensive young calf at auction that is a few months old (say 4 to 6 months) They won't be as cheap as a dairy bottle baby, but they'll be able to eat hay and grain. They are less expensive because the other people don't want to pay to feed them until they are a usable weight.

Hopefully someone else will have more info on raising cattle using feed lot techniques (ie no pastur/grass - not croweded or anything - sounds like you have enough room)

Best of luck to you. Oh, and check those fences before the cow arrives... afterwards will be to late!
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Old 07/09/08, 11:50 PM
 
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Well, if you want a cow (as in a reproducing female), you will need breeding, either natural from a local bull, or artificial insemination (AI). Would your local lowline angus farm be willing to loan a bull? Can order semen in, but need someone local who can store it and do the breeding.

I would agree that lowline angus are overpriced, but doubt it is like the emu deal, in that lowlines are not a new specie, just a different size. I also don't understand why some 4 pound dogs are worth $500, but many like them. Acreages are not getting bigger, so should be demand for smaller cattle.

If your interest is in beef, I'd choose lowline angus over Dexter. Had a Dexter and was not impressed - scrawny bull calf. My current mostly lowline bull calf is impressive. I would certainly be interested to see a Dexter bull that looks anywhere near the lowline bulls seen at these websites:
Scroll down to Machine and Doc Holliday here:
http://www.pharocattle.com/Semen-Source-2008/angus.htm
or
http://www.crosscreekcattle.com/blank.html

You could get a lowline cross cow (cheaper than purebred), or a Dexter or a "regular" size cow and breed to lowline, and if get a heifer, breed her again to lowline. Making your own lowline cow is cheaper than buying them up front. The angus also eliminates horns so you don't have to deal with them. If someone could do AI for you, I would order semen from the best bulls - I think that pays off.
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