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12/24/07, 04:31 PM
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Extremely rare breed of cattle in England
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12/24/07, 04:49 PM
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Very interesting.
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12/24/07, 07:44 PM
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These are the cattle that are raised in this country as "British White Park" cattle.
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12/24/07, 09:19 PM
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British White Park?
British white park are 650 pounds at maturity? British white park are descended from the Chillingham herd?
Carcass data on the BWP indicate that these animals should be well over one thousand pounds. Chillingham, according to this article, top out just over 650 for females, a bit more for bulls. BWP hanging weights are greater than Chillingham live weights.
The article also said that DNA tests show no relation to any known breed. This I find hard to believe, but that is the claim.
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12/25/07, 07:10 AM
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The British White and the White Park are two different breeds. British Whites are polled, while White Parks are horned.
It's possible that the White Parks are descended in some way from the wild cattle as they are not closely related to any other British breed. Testing shows them to be most closely related to Highlands and Galloways.
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12/25/07, 04:13 PM
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Big game cattle with 650 lb bulls?
Do they also have big game fish in barrels for people to shoot?
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12/25/07, 08:55 PM
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England wiped out their large wild animals a long time ago.
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12/29/07, 09:06 AM
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Wow, that's really fascinating. A closed herd for 800 years. Amazing!
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12/29/07, 11:08 AM
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I find it a little fishy. If they are not related to any other cattle in the world, where did they come from?(WARNING THE NEXT LINES CONTAN CHRISTIAN CONTENT!) 1 cow and 1 bull came off the ark and made every other breed of cattle. So they must be some weird dna hybrid cooked up in a lab!
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12/29/07, 11:28 AM
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Only problem I see with this severely inbred scenario...inbreeding depression..in other words, less and less babies being made. The zoo that I'm trying to work out a deal with has that problem with mice and says it's very easy to inbred fast with mice. Says you have to switch male mice in between breeding females every month or else, you get inbreeding depression. Not good if you're trying to raise rodents for the zoo....
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12/29/07, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by HazyDay
I find it a little fishy. If they are not related to any other cattle in the world, where did they come from?(WARNING THE NEXT LINES CONTAN CHRISTIAN CONTENT!) 1 cow and 1 bull came off the ark and made every other breed of cattle. So they must be some weird dna hybrid cooked up in a lab!
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There were actually 7 of the cattle kind that came off the ark. The cattle of today (including the Aurochs and these wild cattle) would have descended from those cattle. It just said that they weren't closely related to any cattle of today. They're different enough to be classified as a seperate species, but they're still related closely enough to breed with other cattle and produce fertile offspring.
Wolves, coyotes, dingoes, wild dogs, and domestic dogs are all seperate species that descended from the two of the dog kind that came off the ark. Even though they are seperate species, they will interbreed and produce fertile offspring.
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12/29/07, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tyusclan
There were actually 7 of the cattle kind that came off the ark. The cattle of today (including the Aurochs and these wild cattle) would have descended from those cattle. It just said that they weren't closely related to any cattle of today. They're different enough to be classified as a seperate species, but they're still related closely enough to breed with other cattle and produce fertile offspring.
Wolves, coyotes, dingoes, wild dogs, and domestic dogs are all seperate species that descended from the two of the dog kind that came off the ark. Even though they are seperate species, they will interbreed and produce fertile offspring.
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Sorry I thought it was 2! I haven't read it in a little!
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12/29/07, 02:03 PM
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Sorry I thought it was 2! I haven't read it in a little!
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If you do a little math you would see that there has not been enough time since the ark was supposedely floating around for all of the species to repopulate and separate into different species and breeds. Species of animals and the ark should not even be used in the same paragraph.
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12/29/07, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pancho
If you do a little math you would see that there has not been enough time since the ark was supposedely floating around for all of the species to repopulate and separate into different species and breeds. Species of animals and the ark should not even be used in the same paragraph.
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Look not trying to start anything, ok? Leaving this thread.
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12/29/07, 10:18 PM
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Interesting article
There is another interesting Breed of cattle... Almost as rare; yet we have a chance to bring this one back. And it's closer to home:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CanadienneCowTalk
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