Odd Question??

james dilley · #1 08/24/07, 07:37 PM

I have looked but the websites do not show the Imfo? If you beed A registered Black Angus cow to A Red angus Bull. If the calf is Black, is it reg as A black Angus or if the cald is Red is it Able to reg. As A red angus?? I have looked at both sites and tried to find this out, As I An curious!

tyusclan · #2 08/25/07, 03:45 PM

If I understand correctly, the calf would not be registerable. The American Angus Association and the Red Angus Association of America are two seperate organizations. The AAA will only register black calves from two registered black angus cattle, I believe.

The AAA barred the red calves from registry in an effort to eliminate the red genes from angus herds. If they were to register a calf from a red cow, they would be bringing red genes back into the gene pool.

I don't know if the RAAA would still accept a red calf from such a breeding or not. There is still an occasional, albeit very rare, red calf that shows up in black herds. Don't know if the RAAA would register those or not either.

hintonlady · #3 08/28/07, 02:16 PM

bit off subject but.................

In larger scale commercial cattle ventures a lot of crossing goes on. This is usually black Angus and Hereford, for meat quality.

Where the black comes in handy is farmers get paid a premium for black cattle as if they were Angus. Assuming the cow has a majority of black (unsure how much precisely) it is passed on as premium value added, even if it is obviously not purebred Angus.

These are bought at auction arbitraily by color and later make it to our stores as CERTIFIED Angus, now how funny is that?

I would take a nice well marbled and meaty dairy steer over a poorly kept black Angus steer anyday. What it looks like on the hook is rarely what is considered. go figure!

james dilley · #4 08/28/07, 02:25 PM

I had posted A few weeks Futher back, That I can get 2 Angus Heifers For $1.400 bucks for the pair, They are breeding age Now. I Am hoping Ernie will have them in 6 weeks. I should have the cash by then, I prefer the Red hided myself. Thats why I asked the Question. But I would be wanting theese two. As I can have them A I'ed to A lot of differnt types of breeds. I was hoping that if bred to A Red, the heifers from them would have Value. (both heifers are Reg.) I Am thinking Brahma or even A Contenental breed if I get them. Any and All Bull calves would be for BEEF. As I Am looking for A bigger place After the 1st of the year!!

travlnusa · #5 08/28/07, 09:07 PM

If you cross breed, you can not register to either pure bred assoc.

FYI - the bull tends to be the one to determine the calf color.

FYI #2 - Need to be 51% black to be CAB.

tyusclan · #6 08/29/07, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travlnusa

FYI - the bull tends to be the one to determine the calf color.

FYI #2 - Need to be 51% black to be CAB.

Black is the dominant color in cattle. If you breed a red bull to a homozygous black cow, the calf will be black. That's why the AAA refused red calves from registry. By never registering red calves, the red genes will eventually be eliminated entirely. Possibly have been already.

A calf can also qualify for CAB by proving at least one purebred Angus parent.

hintonlady · #7 08/29/07, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travlnusa

If you cross breed, you can not register to either pure bred assoc.

FYI - the bull tends to be the one to determine the calf color.

FYI #2 - Need to be 51% black to be CAB.

Thanks for %, I thought it was considerably more. Sort of funny when a 51% black calf can be many things other than Angus, but whatever : ) I guess half truths in society at large are why I started homesteading in the first place.

I'm sure it's the meat packers who came up with the % so they could make more money.