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Old 07/07/07, 06:16 PM
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DNG questions and Intro (long)

DNG by tthe way, stands for Dumb New Guy

OK, let's see. When I was in college I majored in Geography with a minor in Environmental Sciences. I a lot of reading about and became concerned with, biodiversity, genetic engineering, and the stability of mankind's food chain. I am a 23 yr veteran of working Federal maximum security prisons. I get to retire in 13 months. And at that point I am thinking about starting a small farm in the neighborhood of 10-25 acres.

Oh boy has that changed!! It started out as a nice quiet 3-5 acres with my wife, a dog or two, and a cat. Somehow, we're up to two cats now. It started innocently enough. DW asked if we could get some chickens. I've spent the last 26 years making her as happy as I can, so of course I said ok. Then she's at TSC picking up dog food and comes home with a copy of GRIT magazine. Wow, haven't seen that since it was a weekly paper! Cover article, milk goats. I told DW about growing up with a small herd of Nubians because one of my brothers couldn't drink cow milk. Now she wants goats, because the pictures are "so cute". Eh, why not? I liked the goats, and there was actually something relaxing about milking them. So now we're talking more like 5-10 acres. Oh, and we have to get a donkey to guard the goats. :baby04:

But now we get to why I'm here in the COWS section. You guessed it, she wants a cow, "Just one, please, oh pretty please, P-L-E-A-S-E!"

I've pretty much made up my mind that if I allow this I'll be going with one of the miniature breeds, and preferably one that's either rare or endangered. So please enlighten a DNG.

Since we'll already be doing a goat dairy I won't need a milking breed, per se. And I want to diversify my livestock, so mini-Herefords probably aren't what I'm looking for. I'd be interested to hear from owners of both Irish Dexters and Scottish Highlands as they appear to true "old breeds".

Can these breeds earn their keep as draft animals, like mini-oxen?

How long do I have to raise one to get a worthwhile return on meat?

How many acres would I need to include a breeding pair, plus their offspring (which would mostly end up in the freezer)?

Are they true grazers, or do I have to feedlot them?

Are they a wise choice for raising pasture-fed organic beef, possibly for sale?

I'm sure more questions shall arise from time to time.

Thank you.
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Old 07/08/07, 02:43 AM
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Here's where you go to learn about livestock breeds that need conserving...

www.albc-usa.org/
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Old 07/08/07, 08:25 AM
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I don't know anything about Dexters.

We had Highlanders for two years and for us, they weren't worth it. We decided to cut back to just our original Jerseys and have never regretted it. Highland is just as good a beef as Jersey. I'm sure if you buy good stock they will do well. Ours didn't browse as much as our Jersey cows do....so that part I found to be over-promoted. They are a little more of a niche market, but if your just talking a calf a year, and if its a bull you'll eat it....the market shouldn't be a problem. Ours were probably the exception, but they were the dumbest cows we have ever had. If I were going to do Highlanders again, I would buy *tame* cows and I would disbudd the calves<gasp>. Working the wild cows with those(long) horns.....just wasn't my cup of tea.
They have very tasty beef and they sure are picturesque. Other than that, I prefer a regular beef cross that grows a little faster and puts on beef a little better. Easier to find a bull for too.

Oh, and I don't really reccomend donkeys for guarding goats.....get a Great Pyrenees and you'll never be without an LGD again.
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Old 07/08/07, 03:03 PM
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JulieLou, thanks. I found ALBC last night while I was playing around. Great info there. Would like to concentrate on breeds listed there. Perhaps Oberhaslis just bumped Nubians off my goat dairy.

Emily, as always, insightful and informative. My interests and needs are different than yours, so I think Highlands or Dexters will be OK for us. Really, a lot depends on what kind of land we find and how much. And whatever we get will be either tame or calves that we will train to draft. (Just for the fun{?} of it.)

Trust me, the donkey is NOT my idea. I would much rather have 2 or 3 LGD's.
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