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Old 05/23/07, 08:18 AM
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worming and fly questions

I have five cows now, and I want to know what I can give them in their food to prevent worms and help with flies (even if two different products). Since it is just me, I can't get them in a stall and pour stuff over them. It has to be in their food.

Someone told me about "altrusid", or some such that is in a mineral supplement, given freely, that helps with flies.

A neighbor gave me one of those "fly rubs", but what do you put on it and how?

I'd appreciate suggestions.
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Old 05/23/07, 09:14 AM
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Call, or go visit, whoever you buy your mineral from and ask what they have for worms. Lots of stuff for you to choose from.

As for the fly control products, I would not spend the money. If all the people in your area use it, it might help, but if not, you will still have them around.

There are all kinds of rubs. I have mind hanging over a walkway they need to use to get to the water tank. I have seen others put in doorways, while others are mounted on a mineral feeder.

Find a place where the cows have to walk though, and mount it there.

Also, start going to farm auctions, etc, and find a head gate so you can work on them if you needed to. Makes life much nicer.
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Old 05/23/07, 10:51 AM
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travlnusa:

what do you put on your rub? And how?? I have a good place where I can mount it.

Also, I haven't bought mineral for cows so I don't know anyone other than Southern States and the store here is yuppy-fide. They haven't a clue about cows (there biggest seller is sunflower seed for outdoor bird feeders!). That's why I posted here.
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On the rub you use petroleum oil and permethrin. The permethrin comes under many names and the prices are all over. Do not buy a ready mix product as they are ripoffs. Look on a site like Jeffer's and find the product. The rub needs to be in front of the salt source to where the animals have to come in contact with the wick.
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Old 05/23/07, 01:55 PM
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On the rub you use petroleum oil and permethrin. The permethrin comes under many names and the prices are all over. Do not buy a ready mix product as they are ripoffs. Look on a site like Jeffer's and find the product. The rub needs to be in front of the salt source to where the animals have to come in contact with the wick.
That is what I use as well.

You really need to be giving your cow loose minerals. The blocks are as close to junk as you can get. They can not lick it enough to get what you need.

If you dont have anyone near you, contact Cargill. They have a mineral program that, while higher in cost, is very easy to manage.

A solid mineral program is needed to have cow that breed and calve easy.

Most, not all, will have salt as part of the mix, thus you would not have salt blocks out with it in the mix. You will go though a ton of the stuff to begin with (think about kids on Halloween night with candy), but over time consuption will slow down.
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Old 05/23/07, 07:08 PM
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cows worming/flies

Ok, thanks.

One note, these cows will not be breeding/calving this year.
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The cattle still need the minerals, if nothing more get the cheap trace mineral salt in loose form to where they can fill up without having to work for it.
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Thanks.

Ok, question about technique re: petroleum/pemethrin: mix together and pour it over the rub? This is a long rub and I don't want to spill either of those two liquid all over everything.
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If the problem is horn flys (they are the ones that cover the withers and back) You can get IGR minerals. Hornflys rarely travel from herd to herd and can be controlled without much fear of outside reinfestation. Igr interupts the metamorphisis of the fly larve in the manure.
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For deworming, all I've used for years is food grade diatomaceous earth (DE). I feed it to the house pets, poultry, large livestock. My large livestock free choice feed it. The feeder is kept in a weather protected area. If fed daily in the feed, cattle get 2% of the dry weight of the feed. Pounds of feed x .02 = amount of DE to feed.

Flies can't hatch eggs in the manure of a DE eating critter. It kills the larvae and helps to cut down the population. No withdrawal time for slaughter.

DE has 28 trace minerals. My stock quit using their trace mineral salt blocks years ago, on their own, when I started feeding DE.

A lot of cattlemen I know put DE in the fly rubs where the cattle have to go to feed/water.

Food grade DE says on the front of the bag 'Food Chemical Codex Grade.' If it doesn't, don't purchase.

I purchase at the feed stores.


FIELD REPORT - FEEDING CODEX FOOD-GRADE DIATOMACEOUS
EARTH (DE) TO DAIRY COWS

J. S. Bunker, Bunker Farms, Mesa, Arizona

After feeding 100 dairy cows on DE for approximately
one year, the following results were noted:

1. Warbles became non-existent.

2. Fly nuisance almost completely disappeared.

3. Odours were almost completely gone.

4. Cows have better hair and coat condition and have
no desire to lick soil as in the past.

5. Vet bills have been significantly reduced.

6. Butterfat content has risen from 503 lbs. per cow
to 513 lbs. per cow.


FIELD REPORT - FEEDING OF CODEX FOOD-GRADE
DIATOMACEOUS EARTH TO DAIRY COWS

Daniel M. Brandt, McFarland, Wisconsin

Results from feeding 5 to 6 ounces of food-grade
diatomaceous earth to dairy herd for a period of five
weeks:

1. Butterfat tests have shown an increase of 3.7 to
3.9.

2. Mastitis, which had been quite a severe problems,
came under control (no new cases).

3. Cows are brighter and healthier in appearance and
milk production has increased without an appreciable
increase in feed.


FIELD REPORT - FREE CHOICE FEEDING TO DAIRY CATTLE

Dairy Herd Association Improvement Program,
HusseyFarms, Litchfield Park, Arizona

Tests run on purebred Jersey dairy cows given free
choice access to codex food-grade diatomaceous earth
(DE).

Average intake was three ounces per cow per day.

After six months the following results were observed:

1. Milk production in the test group increased over
20% with butter-fat content remaining the same.

2. Warbles problems came to an abrupt halt.

3. Feed assimilation improved and fly problems were
brought under control.


ORGAN ANALYSIS OF DAIRY COWS

Michigan Department of Agriculture, Laboratory
Division, Lansing, Michigan

Upon pathological examination of the organs of dairy
cows having been given free-choice feeding of codex
food-grade diatomaceous earth for a period of
approximately five years, no visible organ
abnormalities were observed.


RESULTS OF CATTLE FEED LOT TESTS

Webster Feed Lots Inc., Webster, Colorado
by Dr. Jack Martin, Sterling Nutritional Services

Four groups of cattle of over 300 head each, test
steers, control steers, test heifers, control heifers.
All groups primarily hereford/angus crosses or "black
baldies" with remainder being hereford, angus, or
exotics. All groups nearly identical in breed
composition.

Test groups fed freshwater, food grade DE at the rate
of 3% of total daily ration. (Note: Midway through
the test, heifer ration was changed from 3% to 1.5% as
there had been a reduction in the daily feed
consumption with the test heifers. Normal feed
consumption resumed with the lower percentage of DE.)

Significant findings include:

Fewer deaths: DE fed calves had lower pen mortalities.
None of the test group deaths were caused by lactic
acidosis, a common result of switching calves from
pasture to feedlot.

Lower Feed Cost: Test animals experienced daily weight
gain similar to the control animals while consuming
less feed.

Greater Profit: Performance was better in the steer
group than the heifer group. The DE fed steers
yielded $9.10 per-head profit than the control steers.
The DE fed heifers produced $8.30 per head more
money.

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Old 05/26/07, 01:19 PM
 
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I posted in the garden section about problems with larvae in soil eating my corn sprouts off. They also recommended spreading DE and said the roughness of it damages larvae crawling across it.

So, if DE is in the manure, perhaps could help prevent fly larvae. However, if you feed it and it's absorbed into their bodies, is any left in the manure? If it all ends up in the manure, I don't see how it could increase milk production, prevent mastitis, reduce deaths, etc.

What exactly does DE in fly rubs accomplish?
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