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11/09/05, 04:05 AM
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Redneck Hippy
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Kentucky AKA Hickville
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Want to get Dexter Cattle Bull and Cow/Calf Combo
I would like to find 4 young steer, A extra nice bull Red in color might do black, and cows. East of the Mississippi I will pick up. Cash after vet inspect and dna, or at pick up. Might consider other small breeds too.
Later
Keith
EMail me at Keith@ratlifflogging.com
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11/09/05, 05:48 PM
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Western NY
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http://www.dextercattle.org/
Try this site, look up members in your area and given them a call. There is a memeber list that will show your State and surrounding States.
http://www.dakodan.net/dexters/forum/
This is a Dexter Forum that you could also ask on.
Are you meaning tested for Chondrodysplasia? If so stress that when you talk to breeders. The test is only done every 3 months, so if you want to buy cattle that are not tested the next test is in Dec. so you could have the breeder get it done then. If both parents are tested clear, you wont need to test the calf, but make sure that the breeder can prove that the sire and Dam tested clear. Hope this helps.
Carol K
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11/09/05, 05:58 PM
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Redneck Hippy
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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carol I would like to know they cattle are not related within 6 gens so I did mean dna.
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11/10/05, 04:15 PM
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Why not related within 6 generations?? There is an online pedigree on the ADCA site I gave you above, that may help you out also, it's a great tool to have use of. Dexters have a particularly small gene pool by the way.
Carol K
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11/10/05, 06:20 PM
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Redneck Hippy
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Carol,
thanks and I am aware of their limited pool. pedigree is no garranty on in breeding which is a very bad practice most people use here in the usa.
Later,
Keith
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11/11/05, 08:40 PM
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OneWheelBiting,
I didn't know you were able to DNA that far back? I've only heard of being able to DNA parent verification, not 6 generations, would like to hear more about that.
Not sure I agree with your thought on inbreeding, used properly it's a valuable tool, I would agree it can be taken too far though. There was a good post on inbreeding on the Dakodan board a few days ago.
Hi Barb 
Carol K
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11/12/05, 02:27 AM
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Redneck Hippy
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Carol,
You'll soon see in the news why I will only be buying cattle that have been fully dna mapped. I would like to keep the top market price in the future and the laws of exports going more and more to meat from certified gene clean animals. They can dna any thing and see if it has any like chromizones are shared on either side which would indicate a inbreeding somewhere. After 6 gens there will be limited chance of gene based disorders.
later,
Keith
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11/12/05, 08:43 AM
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Keith,
well it sounds real interesting, which lab is doing this testing, heck I've had mine Chondro. cleared, would like to look into this to.
Carol
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11/12/05, 11:26 AM
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Keith,
Please fill us in on what you know or have read. Why keep us waiting?
I have known of labs that have put out press reports claiming they have found this or that. Some of these labs are very credible and have stood the test of time. Some have fallen by the wayside, either that or the disclaimers they have on their forms when submitting samples for DNA tests makes you wonder why test? A chance of 80% does me no good at all.
I hope the above makes sense.
I have to admit I have never herd of "certified gene clean animals".
Always open to learning and being informed, but I need facts to back things up.
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11/12/05, 01:13 PM
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Who are "they" anyway? I'm sure "they" could test for everything under the sun if you were willing to pay for it. Same with Dexters - you can find whatever you want as long as you're willing to put your money where your mouth is. Everything is for sale. For the right price. I'll be watching the news day and night to hear what the big news is that you're referring to.
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11/12/05, 02:29 PM
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Keith, if there are many Dexters in this country that meet your criteria I would be surprised. Most people in this country haven't "inbred" (as you are defining it) them on purpose I don't think, but rather by necessity because of the very limited gene pool. I know you know that, just defending the responsible Dexter folks.
There is a farm in Oregon who moved their stock here from Canada, they might have what you're looking for. Owners name is Chris Ricard, farm is Celestial Farms. They had a red bull for sale this spring that we were looking at. They seem to have good cows. They are a long way off from us and shipping would have been a fortune, so we passed. If you plug in Chris' name in the owner slot on the ADCA pedigree site you can see their cows and contact info. The pedigrees don't go back very far on that site, there's a canadian dexter site (Chris can tell you the address) where you can follow them on back.
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11/12/05, 03:56 PM
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Hi Paula,
Just did a quick pedigree search of Chris Ricards lines. I think Keith will still run into the same problem within six generations. The only exception might be the Canadian bull, his pedigree does not show up completely. Chris and my animals have some of the same genetic make-up.
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11/12/05, 04:35 PM
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Oh well. I thought there might be a chance since I knew he brought a lot of his cows in from Canada.
How about Judy Sponaugle? I know she's keeping 2 separate herds and working on some of the older genetics that don't include what some consider the "4 questionable bulls." I bet if she did have something you couldn't buy it though.
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11/12/05, 06:37 PM
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Paula,
I think it still comes down to Dexters having a small gentic pool. Even if older genetic lines were used today, alot of those herds in the past were closed and drew from within, basically having the same situation. I believe the ADCA states some 6000 animals in its registry (North America). I could be wrong, that does not include any other associations. The numbers are not hugh no matter what.
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11/12/05, 06:59 PM
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You piqued my curiosity - Who are the "4 questionable bulls" anyway?
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11/13/05, 01:48 AM
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I'm on my pda so don't know how this'll work but here goes.
The bulls are:
Parndon Bullfinch
Cornhair Outlaw
Lucifer
oops - can't remember the 4th and it's too hard to go look on this thing.
You can find a whole discussion on this subject (probably several) on:
www.dakodan.net
The thread I'm thinking of was several months ago in the breeding/bloodlines section.
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11/13/05, 07:03 AM
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Redneck Hippy
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Being reg. doesn't mean much to me as a clean dna screaning. I am not someone looking to breed them for profit as much as for meat production toys for my children. Also if you happen to have $20 gold coins 1900 or older drop me a line I will buy them by the gram. lol I thought I would throw that in.
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11/13/05, 07:12 AM
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Keith,
The Lab??? Are you going to tell us how we can look into this 6 generation testing?
Carol
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11/13/05, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Paula
I'm on my pda so don't know how this'll work but here goes.
The bulls are:
Parndon Bullfinch
Cornhair Outlaw
Lucifer
oops - can't remember the 4th and it's too hard to go look on this thing.
You can find a whole discussion on this subject (probably several) on:
www.dakodan.net
The thread I'm thinking of was several months ago in the breeding/bloodlines section. |
I think the other bull a lot foks believe is questionable is Saltaire Platinum. I think he is where the polled genetics came from.
Last edited by 65284; 11/13/05 at 08:20 PM.
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11/13/05, 10:51 PM
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Redneck Hippy
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Carol,
Contact University of Kentucky Ag. Department Lexington Kentucky. They do it in house.
Later,
Keith
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