deer hunting/atvs/tresspassing

tinknal, in your state and every other state, trespass is trespass and any dog entering private property without the owner's permission is becomes the property of the landowner, to be disposed of as he sees fit.
If your state has gone so far as to not allow a person to protect their livestock and family, then I'll make a point to steer clear of it.

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I am a rural people. I could give 2 squirts of urine about how much their ---- mongrel costs. If he is on my property without my permission he is going to take a dirt nap. If I don't give permission for someone to hunt on my land it means just that - they don't have permission. Why is that such a difficult concept for some people? That means they can't trespass. They can't park their truck. They can't shoot deer on my side of the fence. They can't run their dogs across my land. They can't ride their atvs. They can't ride their horses. What it means is that they need to stay the hell off or suffer the consequences. That means they will be charged with trespassing (which thanks to us landowners fed up with trespassers now carries a substantial fine and can result in jail time). That means that their dog will be shot. If they threaten me I will take whatever action I deem necessary to stop that threat. They don't pay my taxes and I haven't seen them here helping me around the place. What makes them think they somehow have some right to be on my property taking advantage of something which I work hard for? And yes my land and stock is more important that a ---- dog trained or non trained that someone obviously can't control since it is on my property without permission.

The jackasses who think they can run their dogs all over the place regardless of having permission to be on property or not are usually town trash, city idiots or people who don't have any property to hunt on so they think they have the right to hunt where ever they please. These types are held in the highest contempt around here.

Who hunts deer with dogs anyway? I didn't know that was even legal in any state. Around here any dog chasing a deer is customarily shot on sight as a menace and general nuisance. In fact my neighbors have permission to shoot my dog if they ever see him running deer or stock.

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In tn, it is illegal for the dogs to chase deer for the hunters. Not that this matters to them. I have all of my farm posted with no hunting no tresspassing signs.I love counting the bullet holesROFL. BTW the lease is a good idea. But, people around here think this gives permission to cut down your trees for firewood or whatever they want to do. Actually,I used to work for a guy who leased property to hunt. He turned around and cut their timber for firewood.
If people would ask, I still would not let people hunt that just pull up and want to.Just the principle of the entire thing.
Oh yeah, we had people dropping of beagles during deer season off the road. Of course, they would end up on my property(Surprise, surprise). The dogs chased a deer in front of my husband who was in his deer stand. Sorry, the dogs want be chasing deer any more. The owners stopped looking for them. I love animals but I want tolerate them chasing my goats, killing chickens, and chasing deer during hunting season.
Dripping Springs you are welcome to hunt down here anytime. Maybe you and my hubby could do a deer hunt swap.?
I did accidently drop nails along the fence lines. Anyone priced tires lately?They are not cheap especially if you have to replace all 4.Anyway, someone shot my neighbors mare last year during deer season. Can you believe that? If a person can not tell the difference between a deer and horse , the may not need to deer hunt.eek
We have donkeys and are wantint to buy calves so I am not thrilled with supposedly deer hunters.
Sorry for the rant. thanks for listening. I do appreciate all the ideas and input.
tnborn

When I lived in WI we had to keep the fawn colored goats in through the entire hunting season.
Some city yahoo from Milwaukee actually killed a farmers 800# heifer, field dressed it and took it to the tag station! He got quite a surprise when it was confiscated, he had to pay the owner the value of the heifer plus he was fined! It was sometime in the late 80's early 90's & made all of the local papers.
Can you imagine a guy with a gun that can't tell a whitetail from a milking shorthorn??

KY,
About 5-6 years ago, someone killed a donkey. Field dressed it and took it to the deer tagging station. LOL I know it isn't funny per say. Gheesh, this person really didn't need to be hunting at all.This happend in catoosa hunting area in cumberland county.
tnborn

Quite a few years ago, my other half was outside getting firewood when he heard a buzz go past his head. That buzz landed in our house siding. Two men and a boy were hunting along the RR tracks and saw a rabbit. Called the sheriff and guess what...they were ticketed because the boy was shooting too close to a house... poor supervision, ticketed for trespassing, and rifles were taken away. Turned out that one of the guys used to live in our house and always hunted there.

Now if I could just figure out how to keep the coyote hunters from trespassing, shooting, and dragging the coyote off our property. And this is on only 6 acres with 1/3 in timber. Animals all around the land too. Even our big husky/malamute dog stayed on the porch that time.

Our big dog does chase other dogs away if we yell "go home." Our mixed breed pup alerts us and our big dog to trespassing dogs.

I'm waiting for our new llama to get shot because someone thought it was a deer!

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I live in Overton county, and last year a hunter mistook our neighbor's 16 yr old son for a deer! The boy was "gut shot" but did recover, miraculously.
Our land is surrounded by "leased land" that a hunting club has. We had LOTS of problems, with things like people trolling our fence line calling turkey, because they are on OUR side of the fence, and nest here. My husband and two sons started doing a little early morning target shooting and for some reason those guys didn't hang around long. They did go screaming by our house on their 4 wheeler's though, presumably to let us know they were "mad."
I started calling the TWRA officer who lives nearby, and he came out and ticketed them several times. (Heck, he gave me his home phone number and told me to call him anytime there was a problem with the hunters here) All of a sudden those guys don't want anything to do with us anymore, and go by our house VERY quietly, when at all. Having goats, cows, horses, chickens ourselves, I certainly understand the grief hunting dogs can cause, as well as their owner's. In TN it is illegal for you to kill a hunting dog on your property UNLESS it is destroying your livestock. You also MUST allow a hunter on to your property to retrieve his dogs! We have had hunting dogs come across our place, one our Great Pyr nearly killed for entering the goat's pasture. Another we actually locked up in the barn and called the owner who had lost it. I figure its not the dog's fault they have a rude owner who doesn't care to "ask" permission to run their dogs. You know, I don't know of a bit of property around here that isn't OWNED by SOMEONE. To me, hunting the game on someone else's land without permission, is tantamount to raiding their refrigerator when they aren't home. My pet peeve about Hunt Clubs is that they are a bunch of strangers who come here because they have admittedly already shot up all the deer in their area, and they won't leave here until they have done the same here. Us who live here then, have a harder and harder time hunting a decent deer on our own property. The deer here went from being hunted by a few local families who usually got no more than one or two a year, to being hunted by a club of about 50 members, every single weekend!!! It doesn't take a genious to figure out the deer won't last long around here that way.

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LET ME GUESS A DEER DOG HUNTER?

Well for your information I have lived in the country all my life

I happen to believe in this little thing called ''property rights'' ever hear of it?

Its YOUR responsibility to kepp YOUR dogs off of MY land.

I do not owe anyone the right to run dogs on MY land without MY permission.

I do not owe YOUR dogs MY 500 dollar game roosters for lunch.

I am most definately sure that if I let my presa canarios run free and they attack and mutilate 'Ol Blue in your yard you would ---- a brick. Right?

I grew up coon hunting. Just about all the men in my family did. We never had dogs stray over on others property. Of course our hounds were trained that no matter what they were doing if they heard that whistle they better be back to us post haste. Its called TRAINING.

Besides dont you think I would have been prosecuted if I were doing something illegal? I let it be known by everyone that if a dog comes across this property without permission it is D-I-R-T dead right there. I do have that right as a property owner.

Now on the other hand dog hunters lease about 500 acres in the middle of thousands of acres of private property and think it gives then=m the right to hunt everything within 20 miles because they eihter dont train the animals or just use that as an excuse. I think its just an excuse myself.

Dog hunters here would stand in the middle of a paved road. There would be twenty of them stretched out down several miles of paved road waitng for the deer to cross the road. Even though hunting on or near a paved roiad is illegal. It used to be allowed and overlooked until a woman was shot rounding a curve and a couple idiots cut down on a deer crossing the road and she was shot. The game warden was standing there when it happened and yes he was rightfully fired.

Dog hunters are like these other idiots that let their animals roam the countryside then complain when it gets hit by a car,gets in a trap or gets shot. Your animal is your responsibility and not anyone elses. Keep them under control or dont complain.


BTW in my neck of the woods throwing a name at someone like you did would customarily get your ass kicked. Let me know if you ever vacation down my way or pass through going somehwere else and I will show you what I mean

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Property rights are more important than dogs. You should take some time to read some of the Founding Fathers - you might get a clue.

In Texas it's now illegal to hunt deer with dogs because alot of deer hunters were abandoning the dogs after deer season and they didn't respect property lines, etc.

Now...how in the world did you get your coon hound to come back on command? ALL the hounds I've met you can't call back. Coonhounds espically were bad at that. They've been bred for a thousand years to HUNT without guidance or commands which is why they bay while on track so you can follow them. In the old days without a tracking device you lost alot of dogs. I've had only one hound..couldn't keep him on the property without chaining him up. The hunt instinct is THAT strong. Hounds don't make good farm stead dogs unless they've been raised to respect chickens from when they were puppies and the chickens were allowed to beat them up.

As for hog hunting with dogs..there are some very poor folks that do that mainly to feed their families and to help the farmers and ranchers out. I used to exist on feral hogs and fish and had a small garden on the side. I didn't need food stamps. I wish I had a tracking device but those things are very expensive..I'm hearing impaired so I am considering saving money to buy one..the best one for a deaf person is the unit that has a flashing light to tell you where the collar is at..it's the newest device and the thing is $700! I don't make alot of money so it would take me a while to do that. I always ask the permission of the neighbors before hunting on their land because wild animals DON'T recognize property lines. I have a friend who had his dogs machine gunned! They were trying to stop a 500 lb feral hog and the hog ran into the pond and stayed there becuase hogs get hot easily. The dogs were baying the hog at the edge of the pond when they got machine gunned by a guy with an uzi! When the owner of the dogs got there..only one dog was alive...the gun owner got his butt dragged to court and he said he thought the hog was a COW! Oh please! A black beast that roars and charges the dogs isn't a cow. He got fined big time. My other friend in East Texas beat up a guy for shooting his dog who was baying a hog in front of my friend's TRUCK! On top of that, the friend had permission to hunt on that piece of property. The guy's only excuse was that he hated those sorry excuses of dogs that bay up deer! Unforunately the judge took the view that he should have taken that guy up in court instead of beating him up so he had to go do some jail time. That dog was a champion hog hunting dog worth $10 thousand dollars and had won over $30 k in comps. Those hog hunting and coon hunting dogs can be worth alot of money but they also don't recognize property lines as well which is bad. Hog dogs tend to be cur dogs so they do not usually stray off property lines and can be called back..hounds however are a different breed.

Ted

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Personally, I'd feel worse about killing a dog than a hunter. Dogs are only as well-trained as their masters have put in the time to train them. Human beings are supposedly a higher form of life -- they should know better.

And when you get right down to it, you've got a trespasser on your property, armed with a loaded weapon. If I were a home-invader, that would be the perfect cover to get up into someone's front porch with a loaded rifle. "Gee, ma'am, I seem t'have lost mah pup, could I use yer phone?"

Maybe it's just living in the city for so long that's jaded me, but I certainly wouldn't let anyone with a loaded weapon come within 100 yards of my house.

edit: I'm not saying I'd shoot someone for trespassing, but firing recklessly and hitting my siding? I couldn't say that I wouldn't -- how am I to know it's not the CIA Deathsquad?

Here's my understanding of the Minnesota hunting laws.

Landowners don't have to post agricultural land or land fenced to hold livestock. Generally, if you go onto this type of private property, you are trespassing. Woodland has to be posted in order to enforce trespass.

Now, there are exceptions. In MN, you are allowed to go on private land without permission to retrieve a wounded animal. People use this pretext all the time to trespass. You may also go on private land without permission to retrieve a hunting dog, but you can't enter the private land with a firearm.

Hunters are supposed to keep their dogs under their control at all times, and are not supposed to hunt within 500' of buildings and livestock pens without permission. In MN, it is illegal to hunt big game with dogs, so most hunting dogs here are hunting gamebirds (pheasant, grouse) or coons. My understanding was that if a dog ran after a coon onto your land and treed it, you couldn't automatically shoot the dog the minute he set foot on your land. The hunter could enter your property without his gun and immediately retrieve the dog and then leave your land.

During hunting season, only a game warden can shoot a hunting dog that is harassing big game (chasing deer). In MN, from Jan. 1 to July 14, if a dog is on my property chasing deer I could legally shoot the dog.

At any time of year, landowners can shoot dogs that are harassing, worrying or threatening livestock. [I don't know what the difference is between harassing and threatening.] The county sheriff told me that if a dog is bothering your cattle, blast him and it makes no difference if he is a feral dog, champion Blue Heeler or Buffy's lap dog, you have a legal right to shoot him. On pasture, a neighbor's coon dogs were chasing our beef cows. Told the neighbor and he said he always kept them chained up, but if one got loose and was bothering my stock, he'd accept the consequences. Ended up I had to shoot two of his dogs one summer that chased my cows right through a fence. His boy had let them run free, and he never said a word. We go to the same church and have been friends for 40+ years.

I've had a shotgun shell splinter wood about 2 feet above my head while I was raking down corn in the corn crib while grinding feed. As soon as I realized I hadn't messed my pants, I came out of the crib, shut down the mix mill, and ran toward the fence line where I saw a hunter running back up the fence toward his pickup on the road. By the time I got out to the road, he was long gone.

At the end of the day, the problem is there are just way too many idiots in the world who don't have a lick of common sense.

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I thought this was a really nice site until I read this post. This will be my last post as My family and I are avid deer hunters. We deer hunt because it puts food on our tables. People always want to act like smarta**** you talk about shooting dogs that get one your land. We keep our hunting dogs in a pen all year except during deer season. Well about 3 weeks ago they dug a hole and all six of them got out. So that means that some of you people would have shot them because they got out and went on your land . You better hope your cows, chickens, dogs or what ever you might have doesn't ever get out one someone else. We have lived in our part of the country from birth, it is outsiders that move in here and try to change everything that sucks. We hunt with dogs, we have searched into the night looking for a lost dog so that they could be brought home and fed. Sometimes we find them sometimes it takes a day or two. Dogs cannot read, we turn our dogs loose up on the mountain on Forest Service land. At times the deer run south straight to the river and they do cross peoples land that is posted. But the dogs and the deer just run straight through. We are not idiots just because we hunt dogs. If anyone was to kill one of our dogs just because they were doing what dogs do then you better hope and pray that we do not find out about it. People who live in town need to stay in town. We have a neighbor who moved in here from out of state first thing he did was put out traps and poison because he didn't like dogs or coyotes. Then by god stay in the city.;

................With all due respect , should your dogs get "out" . I would think that you would want to INform all of your immediate neighbors that your animals were loose and you were in the process of rounding them Up . Secondly , if the dogs are diggers and you value them highly , then maybe it's time to construct "escape proof" dog runs which shouldn't be that expensive or hard . Just my thoughts and I definitely WOuldn't shoot one of your animals rather I would be on the phone informing you of their presence . fordy..

Hi Everybody,

I need to know the Trespassing/Poaching Laws in My State ( Oklahoma ). Who should I call? What should I ask 'em? Is it legal or advisable to shoot in thier general direction to scare 'em? Is it ever legal to shoot 'em?

Many Thanks !

Funnies part of these types of threads is the assumption tresspassers immediately make that all those who want their property rights upheld are city folks. I don't know about all of the others but until a year ago I'd spent 90% of my whole life in very remote country settings on farms.
Even in the 1950's if someones dogs tresspassed and harrassed us kids or our livestock my father would SSS.
The farm was a MI Century Family Farm as of 1948 so we weren't 'city folk'.

It's usually long time local people with < 5 acres in the country who are the worst; not all but overall it's those who got a tiny chunk of Pappy's land and think that having 1 to 5 acres means they have the use of everyone elses-be it Dogs, ATVs, Hunting, Mushroom & Ginseng Gathering or just plain Tresspassing.

Angus,
Here's a link for OK: http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/hunting.htm

I don't know whether it's legal to shoot at trespassers, but it probably isn't advisable unless you are prepared to get in a firefight and shoot to kill. Just my opinion. When someone trespasses on my land, I inform them that they are trespassing and tell them that they have to leave. I don't curse at them or threaten them, and they've always left. Your mileage may vary.

Yes, you can train a hound to come back to you. You must start young and be consistent. What people fail to realize is that dogs do not generalize. They do not understand that "sit" means the same in the living room as it does in the kitchen, as it does in the front yard, as it does in the east end of the pasture. Every time you bring your dog to a new place you need to run him through his paces. Even the best trained dog bred for obedience will forget all about the recall when he's first let loose in a new environment. You have to work your dog in the yard, on the street, in the woods, in a field, etc. I've noticed a lot of hunters keep their dog in a pen most of the year, giving it little or no attention, then expect it to hunt well with him when they hit the woods. Ain't gonna happen.

Dripping Springs, those must have been some really smart coondogs you grew up hunting with. I think you should write a book about them. In fact you should have made yourself rich from stud fee off of them smart dogs. Every coondog I have ever hunted with always crossed over onto other peoples property if they were hot on a coon trail. If that coon crossed the fence/property line so did the dogs. It's amazing to know that your dogs were so dang smart that as soon as they got to the fence/property line they automatically quit the chase and just let the coon keep on going. Bet they got really depressed everytime that happened. Up until I read some of your threads I had always thought I hunted with some of the best bred coondogs around. But apparently they weren't very smart at all when compared to yours.

In Idaho, if there is a dog on your property and you live in the county, (not the city), it is perfectly legal to shoot the dog. I found this out the hard way. We moved into a new home about 5 years ago in the county. We had 12 acres and a male dog that smelled the neighbors female dog in heat. He kept trying to go over to their house and I would call him back. The neighbor NEVER called to complain or ask that I keep my dog locked up. One time I left him out and I went into my house for about a half hour and when I came back out I couldn't find my dog. I went to their house and asked if they had seen him and they said no. About a week and a half later his wife told me her husband had shot and killed my dog just because it was on their property. He wasn't even close to their female. Needless to say I called the police and they said what he did was perfectly legal.
I know this has nothing to do with using dogs to run deer or game, but the principal of the point is still there. I thought we were friends with the neighbor because we had done favors for his wife all the time, including rototilling their garden for them, hauling heavy items in our truck, etc, etc. Well, we never talked to them for the next 3 years we lived there because of that incident.

Personally, I would never shoot a dog just because it was on my property. BUT, If it was chasing my cows, chickens, goats, etc, then I would. If I knew the owner of the dog I would at least give them a call to let them know their dog was being a menace. If it kept happening, then it's SSS. In my opinion, for all it's worth, it's not the dogs fault the owner is stupid and didn't either train it correctly or teach it boundaries.