Make your lists here/things to take with you to the woods.

hehe be pretty loud with the small arsenal to justify staying with a low key blend in shelter

If I met a person with an arsenal like that, I would become unfriendly!

Really, why an entire gun collection? Who do you think is going to be "after" you? You don't need any of that just to survive. One shotgun that will take down a bear in an emergency is all that could ever be neccesary, and it would probably rust away from disuse. If you must shoot things, a single deer rifle would be a better choice.

i was wondering what mining operation he was going to start to find the lead for his bullet molds he spoke of

I posted to this thread on the understanding that viewpoints were wanted about the topic.

As for the "arsenal" comment, why is it that if one wants to have more than one firearm it is considered an arsenal? Second, one firearm can become non-functional or can be lost. Third, the mix of smokless powder cartridge, blackpowder cartridge and straight blackpowder muzzleloader firearms would allow one to continue to function as supplies of the more modern materials, such as primers, brass and smokeless powder, even loaded cartridges are used up. I can make lead bullets out of vehicle wheel weights, fishing weights, some solder, battery clamps, battery posts, lead acid battery plates and other common items that can be scavenged. Blackpowder is made from sodium nitrate (saltpetre), charcoal and sulfur and can be mixed and corned to make blackpowder.

I find it interesting no one has questioned the posts about someone wanting to bring a draft horse or a motorcycle and van into the woods. What will you feed the horse all year round? How will you shelter it? How will you fuel the vehicles in the woods, obtain replacement lubricants and parts? I grant that no one wrote what preparations they would lay back for those items, but I will presume that they would bring the appropriate items to support them.

My view is to have contengencies in case one thing or another is not available to me. If I relied upon only a modern cartridge firearm I wouldn't be able to fall back upon blackpowder loads that a transition arm would work with, like the .30-30 or .45-70. Also, shooting blackpowder charged rounds through a double barrel shotgun would require less cleanup and maintenance than in a pump shotgun which has more parts to keep from being corroded. Having a flintlock, which only requires pieces of flint to spark the powder, would only require the blackpowder and lead to use it along with some flint pieces.

I have a different view about the situation than others. That is all.

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the arsenal comment was just a word i picked to summ up the list of guns instead of typing them out. i was just wondering about staying low key with the shelter but shooting guns that can be heard for miles

I suppose because one weapon is more than adequate to defend yourself. The rest are only needed if you expect to be in a war zone. And the only legitimate reason for being in a war zone is if you're being attacked by a huge group. And the only reason you would be attacked by a group of any size in the USA is if you're the subject of an FBI raid or a drug war or something.

Do you mean you believe that civilization will collapse, and you will no longer be able to buy the items you need?

I suppose that's a viable possibility. But if it does, we'll all be right back to living like homo erectus. We'll have fire, but we'll be relying on raw materials and scrounged junk to make the tools we need.

So how many of us could forge our own weapons? I mean real weapons that would take down a buffalo? How many of us could forge and shape parts that would fit our guns? For that matter, how many of us could even forge a zipper or a pair of pliars?

If civilization collapses, having those guns (and other modern machines) might help for awhile. But the next generation would be forced to rely on relics that they would barely understand. And the generation after that would be re-inventing the stone wheel.



BTW...the poster who mentioned bringing horses did also say she would still be making trips into town.

i dont think its possible for man to go backwards. .... the only thing i cant figure out that people before me have figured out is the supposed flying machine's of atlantis ... but other then that..... heh

i started a second thread located here continuation of my other thread... this one involves shelter styles
it is more of a localized subject pretaining to this one on what you whould build for your shelter

Well, first you cut your papyrus into a rectangle about 8.5 x 11.5. Then, you fold it in half lengthwise and crease it well. Unfold it again, and lay it flat with the open half of the crease up. Fold down the two corners to meet the crease, so you have a big triangle-shape at the top of the papyrus. Fold again at the bottom of the triangle, and crease it. Turn the paper over, and carefully fold in the long edges at a shallow angle to make "wings". Crease them (top edges together) hard, then fold them out to right angles with the original (first) crease line. Toss it into the air at an upward angle, and see if it soars gently. If not, observe it closely, then tweak as neccesary for optimum performance.




[sigh] edited 'cause I can't type.

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lets get the other thread kicked off on a good start who wants to go first with your structure type

Okay...all kidding aside. I do believe that if our current civilization collapses, men will go backward. The only question is "How far?" and the answer depends entirely on how anti-social we've become.

People now are too specialized; and most of us have lost the ability to eek out a living (or even a healthy existence) without our modern conveniences. How many here could mow the lawn with a sickle, and weave the cuttings into a warm coat? How many here could kill a fish with an arrow on a rope? And how many could do both well enough to keep themselves alive for years?

If that happens, our continued survival depends on being able to rebuild our communities and share our practical knowledge. But IMO too many people now have decided they will simply run & hide, taking their skills with them.

no matter what happened comunitys will aways be there.

To some extent, yes.

But if we're talking about a total collapse of our civilization, then we are talking about a collapse of our sense of "community". We're talking about people seeing potential harm in every other human they meet. Instead of sharing, cooperating and advancing together, they'll be meeting, bartering and seperating. We'll live more like bears or big cats. And that can only lead backward.

In essence, we're turning our backs on about 4 million years of human interaction and evolution.

Well, this is a rather vague question!
If I was going into the woods on foot
this is what I would bring..

a GOOD pocket knife
a GOOD combat knife
a GOOD mutipurpose tool
a GOOD hatchet
a GOOD buck saw
a coke can and some chocolate
a Glass Lens(to start a fire with the sun)
a spark starter, flint, those things you strike with your knife
a Book on Survial skills, with pictures of edible plants,animals.
My Drivers license, birth ceirtificate and SS card
Some Black powder- or home made slow burn fused explosives
Emergency Radio Comms-requires Ham License(handheld transceiver)
A New King James version of the Holy Bible
Compass
Fishing hooks, and fishing line
Emergency heat blanket
Binoculars
First Aid Kit
A good A REALLY GOOD pair of boots.
a 7x8 cammo tarp
Emergency Flares

That should be enough equitiment to hold out for quite some time.
Now if you got the U.S. goverment on your tail, like they were on Eric Rudolf.
Nothing the Goverment hates more is revolutionaries.

what could possibly spark that on. each child that is born is going to have a clean slate it'd just take a few people to teach tehre kids that other people arnt bad and then the whole population see's that

People only teach their children things they believe to be true.

And since most people will have a basic distrust, they will pass that on, even if it's never verbalized. And why not? Already, we parents have to worry about drug dealers, child molesters, kids murdering other kids at school, gangs willing to kill someone wearing a shirt the wrong color....

We have neighborhoods that people live in for 50 years without ever knowing the names of the people next door. We have people who work for a company for 20 years, and never get to know the guy in the next cubicle. The days of extended families and whole communities of tightly-knit people are over. Now, everyone is a stranger, and strangers become more scary everyday.

everyone has family ties that they can trust so everyone comes from a background where they have people they can trust. it is impossible for a civilization collapse it is not possible with human natures way

Well...I don't think it's likely. And I don't think it's going to happen in the foreseeable future if ever. But I do think it's possible.

I must admit I don't spend much time worrying about it. But I know a lot of people -on the internet and in real life- that are certain it's going to happen in the next 50 years or less. They believe our own government will continue to intrude on and divide us, that terrorists will continue their violence until they've lost all of our freedoms for us, and that schools and other institutions have become so dysfunctional they do more harm than good.

And everytime, I hear the same solution mentioned...pack up a dozen guns and go for a walk. A long, solitary one.

Edited to say: to illustrate my point, read this thread. No one -even me- mentioned bringing their mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, sons, daughters or even spouses on this little imaginery jaunt. None of us said we'd leave 'em home, but we haven't made any promises, either.

not a problem of taking them with is its jsut that most of them whouldnt want to go.... each of us on these forums are usualy the one's in the family that like this sort of stuff the most :P

Wow, 6 guns is an arsenal. You would positively despise me. You would need to be unfriendly to probably 90% of people I know and 100% of my neighbors. Hopolophobia is such an ugly thing.


I thought Lonewolf's selection of firearms for this exercise was quite well thought out in terms of long term serviceability and selection for various hunting duties. "Why an entire gun collection?" Why just one screwdriver, one saw, one wrench, one skillet one whatever? Because one type of tool is not suitable for every task. A deer rifle is of little use in shooting rabbits or fowl. If I'm going to be living in the woods shooting things is indeed going to be a must if I intend to eat well.

As for shooting at bears with shotguns, I'll defer to my friends from bear country who when I proposed the idea of dispatching or at least discouraging a rampaging bruin with a shotgun told me to make sure to get one with a smooth exterior free of protuberances so that it wouldn't snag when the annoyed bear shoved it up my posterior.


Adding to the list of gear proposed here by others I would include a good selection of various sized and types of traps so I could run a trap lines. As anyone who has run a trap line knows a .22 pistol (another gun *gasp* the horror!) would be would be quite handy. Also make sure to bring a few spools of 550 paracord. Amazingly useful stuff.

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