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Old 05/07/05, 08:44 PM
 
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About 20 years ago we had 2 shelties that would NOT shut up and the neighbor suggested that "someone " might call the cops. Rather than give our beloved dogs away, our vet debarked them. It couldnt have been all that painfull because when waking from the anesthetics one continued to bark. She had to be redone the next week so the vet cut a little deeper into the cord. They still had their barks but less than half as loud. And in old age the bark did come back though hoarse. k.
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Old 05/08/05, 01:09 AM
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Words can't start to say what I would love to do to this Idiot.

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0305/216934.html

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My Great Dane Buster came to me from an owner who had done this surgery.He couldnt bark,made a hiccup! sound when he barked.Didnt seem to cause him any problems,and he lived a full,happy life.I wouldnt do it though,but it really doesnt seem to hurt the dog any.
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Old 05/08/05, 01:21 AM
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I had neighbors who forced other neighbors to do this to their two dogs. They would chase sqirrels back and forth the fence. After their barks were removed the noise they made was even more disconcerting than the bark! Seemed to me the dogs tried harder to make a noise. It gave me the creeps and I would never do that. I would get a bark collar instead.
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Old 05/08/05, 01:31 AM
 
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Muzzles don't stop barking...just biting. I tried it on a dog. And not all dogs respond to bark collars. Tried that too. Dog barks...gets a little shock...barks because of the shock...repeat. I do have a dumber-than-average dog.

Friend of mine adopted a smooth coated collie who had had the procedure done. This dog was a real talker. Even without vocal cords he was a nuisance - though a very friendly dog. Funny story on this though is that my friend's GF was over one night. They went to bed and as they're lying there they hear this very Darth Vader-ish noise from the corner of the room. Turn on the light and it turns out to be the dog trying to growl at the cat.
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Old 05/08/05, 06:24 PM
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I was just sure that OYG was a guy....

...irrational arguements
...attention getting behavior
...condescending without facts

hmmm, you sure it's female????

OYG, settle this would you?
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Old 05/08/05, 07:49 PM
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Debarking

A lot of people consistently debark dogs. I've lived with a couple that are debarked and myself won't do it.

1 - Any dog can be taught to be quiet. Why are they barking, and at what? limit the exposure. Unless someone is on my property, my dogs are quiet except if I let their water buckets get too low.

2 - Debarking can cause scar tissue, which can cause dogs to overheat. The dogs can't get enough air to cool down. This also strictly limits what you can do with them for performance activities.

3 - I HATE the sound of a debarked dog. I hate barking too, which is why my dogs are trained not to, except to be watch dogs for general safety (I don't trust myself with a gun, I'd shoot myself in the foot).

4 - It causes dog fights, they can't growl or communicate normally and the other dogs think they're weird.

That all said I know lots of people who debark, and they don't think any of the above is true. So to each their own.

As for barking dogs and neighbors. My neighbor called the police because my dogs barked at him at 2:00 in the afternoon when he came 70 feet onto my property. He then later threatened to shoot them, or me, broke our fences to let them out, (if the police saw them running loose they shoot on sight). He switched to passive aggressive methods when I told him that they were worth 1,000 - 10,000 a piece and I could prove that, and his threats in court.. I ended up keeping them inside any time he was home while his dogs roamed the neighborhood. Not one other neighbor said they ever heard my dogs, and all but 1 were willing to write statements to that effect.
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Old 05/09/05, 01:04 AM
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I spent a bunch of money on a bark collar one time. Took my dog for a walk. She would "talk" softly (kind of a whine vocalization), and it would shock her. When she ran, it would shock her. When she barked, it would shock her, but only occasionally. Looked to me like random torture, the reason for which she couldn't begin to figure out. Gave up on bark collars.
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