new neighbor put electric fence up on our fence

Snowdancer · #61 04/20/05, 09:32 AM

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Since the land isn't really yours, you just rent it from the goverment in the form of property taxes.

Also, yeah I tresspassed on ATV trails near me, but you know what, those ATV trails have been there since the early 80's, and MANY people go there

That is the mindset that makes me wonder why anyone would choose the very rural country life over staying in the city or suburbs.

To pay for a place, pay the yearly high taxes and insurance, then work hard and struggle to make a nice place in the country for the benefit of the local yahoo's who maybe own -1 acre with a run down house but think that everyone elses' nice, clean woods are their personal playgrounds.

What difference is there in living in the city or the country if holding land ownership is just thought of as working to provide a free place for every tresspassing, check drawing, fence destroying, mangy dogs running, beer drinking, trash tossing, ginseng digging, mushroom stealing, gun toting yahoo's that has never heard or understood the words respect or property owner rights???

This thread has just validated my decision to leave the rural country life after 52 yrs. At least in the city, half the town is not family members of the local cops who won't do a thing when 'bubba' trashes your fences and ruins your walking trails with their ATV's! :no:

rambler · #62 04/20/05, 03:35 PM

Thank you for the update, I was wondering how it was going for you. This thread is straying a bit of late so wasn't going to ask any more.

I can see both sides of this issue, without knowing your neigbors & with the minimal info first supplied, I was kinda wondering which way things really were, as so many expressed here.

I hope the new neighbor & yourself can keep things on an even keel & workable terms.

As usual, there is probably 'more to the story' and that is fine.

--->Paul

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Originally Posted by GrammarGoddess

I should have been more clear, sorry. The fence is 10 inches on our side of the property according to the survey. The T posts face our direction as that was his reasoning for putting the hot wire on our side. We are on the property daily and both of our other neighbors know how to get in contact with us. As a matter of fact, both of the other neighbors share a gate between our property and theirs and we have a general understanding that the two neighbors we know can go onto our property at any time.
Recently, a distant neighbors cattle got out, the sheriff called us to see if we would go check it out. Although they were not our cattle, the sheriff asked if we would put them on our property until their owner was found. DH and the sheriff ran the stray cattle in. We housed them for 2 weeks. One day, we went to check and feed the cattle and the 14 strays were gone. Because the outer gate is padlocked, DH knew that one of the neighbors gathered them up. We saw one of them in town and he let us know that he had helped the distant neighbor gather the cattle. We had no problem with this.
We are not difficult to live nearby. We are fun normal, sane people and our fun, normal, sane neighbors love us.

Amanda

Oilpatch197 · #63 04/21/05, 01:42 AM

Yes, Tresspassing with intent to destroy property is wrong. I also feel your pain with the trouble you have had, I supose bad experiences do have a profound effect on your thinking.

Quint · #64 04/21/05, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilpatch197

Well, I don't get you property owners, it's like I step on one foot of your land you yell out "Tresspasser" "Tresspasser"

I don't see a problem with a ATV trail that goes maybe cuts thru one acre at the far conner of your unfenced wooded property, I really don't see no problem with this.

If you want people OUT, put signs up, and put contact info on them, putting up "No Tresspassing, Violators will be procecuted" all those signs do is make me laugh, and ****ed off because the land owner has enough time to put the sign up, but fail to fill out the "owner" "address" areas on the sign.
Since the land isn't really yours, you just rent it from the goverment in the form of property taxes.

Also, yeah I tresspassed on ATV trails near me, but you know what, those ATV trails have been there since the early 80's, and MANY people go there,

You just don't get it.

IT DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU THEREFORE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO USE IT.

If you want a place to ride your ATV, pick mushrooms, hunt, hike, screw, swim or whatever there is a simple way to accomplish these goals, BUY YOUR OWN PROPERTY AND STAY THE HELL OFF WHAT DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU.

What is it about private property that you don't get? Do you actually own anything? You apparently own your ATV. Perhaps everyone should be able to ride it whenever the hell they want. It isn't hurting you after all is it? Can I walk into your house, fix a sandwich, sit down on your couch and watch your TV while you aren't home? After all I'm not damaging anything.

I should be amazed that people with your criminal mindset exist but sadly, I'm not. People who wish to take what they are either too lazy or stupid to acquire on their own are far too common these days. I don't know whether to blame bad upbringing or bad genetics. A little from column A and a little from column B I suspect.

----, it is like trying to explain to a retarded 5 year old that is is inappropriate to play with your own (or anyone else's) feces. You think that it would be something that they either would instinctually know or have been instructed about somewhere in their upbringing and you wouldn't have to explain it, but yet you have to, over and over and over again.

papaw · #65 04/21/05, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GrammarGoddess

I should have been more clear, sorry. The fence is 10 inches on our side of the property according to the survey. The T posts face our direction as that was his reasoning for putting the hot wire on our side. We are on the property daily and both of our other neighbors know how to get in contact with us. As a matter of fact, both of the other neighbors share a gate between our property and theirs and we have a general understanding that the two neighbors we know can go onto our property at any time.
Recently, a distant neighbors cattle got out, the sheriff called us to see if we would go check it out. Although they were not our cattle, the sheriff asked if we would put them on our property until their owner was found. DH and the sheriff ran the stray cattle in. We housed them for 2 weeks. One day, we went to check and feed the cattle and the 14 strays were gone. Because the outer gate is padlocked, DH knew that one of the neighbors gathered them up. We saw one of them in town and he let us know that he had helped the distant neighbor gather the cattle. We had no problem with this.
We are not difficult to live nearby. We are fun normal, sane people and our fun, normal, sane neighbors love us.

Amanda

I think you should cut the fence and throw it over YOUR fence .... he was not being a good neighbor and you shouldn't have to put up with it ....

Mike in Ohio · #66 04/21/05, 08:43 PM

Quint, no use getting yourself aggravated.

As far as the electric fence, I'd go speak with them. If it is your fence and you truly want it removed then go tell them. I'd at least hear them out before drawing a line in the sand. Just remember that if you declare war you had better be willing to deal with the situation. I'm not saying that to convince you not to make an issue of it. Understand what your end goal is and focus on that.

As usual, just my 2 cents.

Mike

cloverfarm · #67 04/22/05, 11:09 AM

If it's not too late, a little chat about the fence would be good.

I am probably viewed as the neighbor from hell since we are surrounded by McMansions -- we own and operate the two farms on this mile. Let me think, what hellish things have we done. We sold the milk cows which were featured in the views from some of the houses, and planted corn in their pasture; sometimes cattle die and the carcasses are visible for a day; DH is so busy I tke care of the chickens, so all the construction work done in teh chicken barn looks like it was doen by teh Monroe brothers on "Green Acres" and the chicken barn is also highly visible; DH parked the tractor and manure spreader in our yard; at one point the farm dog ran loose -- not only from house to barn and from farm to farm, but after walkers, joggers and bikers (that was probably the worst) -- and repeatedly turned down one neighbor who has a 3-acre hay field (S shaped on the side of a hill) who wanted DH to make his hay and couldn't understand why DH declined.

At least we dont' own hogs. I've talked DH out of that several times. Although ... well, anyway ...

A trespassing tid-bit to share -- where I grew up "everyone" went four-wheeling on the posted-no-trespassing old quarry site. A family of 10 or 16 people went out with kids in the backs of their trucks. No one knew an old bridge on one of the trails had been taken out. They wrecked and several were killed, all members of the same family :waa: which was pretty awful. To lose so many kids in the same family.

They sued the property owner for taking a decrepit bridge down on his own property.

Let's be careful out there.

Jasoneakers · #68 12/03/12, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by reluctantpatriot

The issue is not the electric fence, but the fact that the fence was put up on the inside of the poster's property and without permission or askance.

When I had a neighbor post "No Trespassing" signs on trees several feet inside of my property line, facing toward my side of the fence, I simply removed them all and kept them. The fence was on the line and had been there since long before my grandfather had bought the property. The neighbor has a son that was caught trespassing and hunting on my land several years ago, and had he not hit the deer, would have sent a round through my bedroom window. I didn't get upset, I just remedied the situation. To me, it was rather cheeky to do what he did when his son could have killed me during deer season several years ago.

The way we generally deal with things where I live is you talk to your neighbor before you do something that might affect them, especially with fencing, gates and such. If you don't know where they live, you look up the information at the courthouse.

Property lines are only in contention around here when you have someone who conveniently "forgets" where they are and causes harm or you have someone who moves down here, or sometimes even when they visit on vacation, and they think that if they can't see a house, the land must be free for the use, or abuse, and then do what they will.

I would talk about the electric fence put on your land with your neighbor and see what their reasoning was before you get very upset. If they did it out of ignorance that is one thing, but if they did it out of malace or with selfish motives, I would do whatever you feel is warranted to solve the situation.

THIS!

I thought maybe the opposite mindset was more prevalent amongst certain age groups or regions but I'm finding out that its just how some people think. They don't respect property right, boundaries, etc.

I get the feeling that maybe if the neighbor had just asked that the original poster might have considered allowing him/her to put up the fence. But that's the problem, people don't ask. They just assume that they can do what they want. Well to me that is dishonest and just not very neighborly and the original poster is within their rights to take it down and in my opinion keep the fence components until the neighbor has the good sense to come, apologize and ask for them back.

We used to find climbing stands on our property. We'd take them down and keep them and let the neighbors know we found them. Then when the trespassers would come to claim them we'd ask for ID and record their information and let them know if we find them on our land again we'd report them.

It just seems to me that people feel like they have a right to trespass. I wonder if these people go around public parks looking for unlocked cars so they can sit in them, borrow people's stuff out of them and what not? That's essentially what you are doing but you probably see one thing as crazy and the other as sane.

I've dealt with bad neighbors all my life. When we lived on the farm when I was young we had a neighbor move his electric fence about 5 feet onto us every month. He was just claiming more land and more land. The land we sold him included part of a pond we had no intention of altering but not the dam. He was so irritated that he didn't control the dam that he had a bulldozer come in and he MOVED the dam off of our property and onto his. Who does that? But to him he was within his rights because its what HE wanted.

Now yes I agree that the original poster should talk to the neighbor in a calm and logic manner and let him/her know that this was wrong and ask for it to be removed. Unfortunately letting it stand rewards the bad behavior. At this point, even if its something they want they should make the neighbor remove it.

I'm really shocked at everyone here who thought it was OK since the neighbor couldn't contact them that he/she had a right to put the fence up. Where I come from if you can't ask you don't have permission and its not better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission.

J

mekasmom · #69 12/03/12, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

(If) my fence-neighbors, put up an electric fence, I'd be happy.

So, why not be happy? Is there a reason?

I would be thanking God that somebody else went to the expense of putting up the electric fence along my property. Look at it as a blessing to you.

CaliannG · #70 12/03/12, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Before getting into a lot of trouble and hard feelings please check one thing. If the fence post are t-posts there is only one side the insulators can fit on. They can't be put on the other side. If the posts are put in with the flat side facing your side that is the only side the insulators will fit on.

Incorrect.

The county came and took a few feet of property from me, and installed a new fence....with the T-posts facing the wrong direction for the insulators that I had.

So I went to the feed-store and bought insulators that fit on the T-side, rather than the flat side.

T-post insulators for electric fencing are made for all sides of a T-post. Sounds like the neighbor bought the wrong kind and, instead of returning them and getting the right kind, just hung the fence up on the other side.

emdeengee · #71 12/03/12, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GrammarGoddess

Hi, my name is Amanda and I am new to this forum. My hubby and I purchased 100 acres nearly 2 years ago. At the time, we had the option of purchasing 100 acres, or 120 acres and a house. We chose to purchase the 100 acres as the house did not meet our needs and he really wanted an insane price for it. In our purchase agreement, we were to put up a fence dividing the two properties which met specific criteria. We did this and the fence has been kept in excellent condition. We paid the full price for the fencing and farm labor, the previous owner paid nothing.
Three months ago, some nut from out of state purchased the house and 20 acres. When my husband went to check the cattle tonight, he found that an electric fence had been ran on our side of the property. DH went to speak to him about it. The man has no cattle (he had 5 when he came, but he sold them soon after). My DH is really ticked that the fence is up and has given the man 7 days to completely remove the fence. What a way to meet the new neighbors.
Amanda

I don't blame you for being annoyed. It is a case of common courtesy. IMO it is not about the fence but rather about respect for your neighbours.

Putting up the electric fence is not actually such a big deal (could even be useful to you) but it sets a precedence that I would not be happy with. The neighbour is doing what he wants with no regard or consultation. What next? This is a slippery slope. You could arrive at your property one day to find that a drainage ditch has been dug or trees cut down. This happened to a friend of ours in one of his back fields.

I too would have required the fence to be removed.

DaleK · #72 12/03/12, 02:15 PM

Seriously? 7 1/2 years? Talk about a zombie thread

**clovis** · #73 12/03/12, 02:19 PM

I agree.

Why are people bumping really old threads?

JanO · #74 12/03/12, 02:26 PM

I'm wondering the same thing.

belladulcinea · #75 12/03/12, 02:32 PM

NickyBlade · #76 12/03/12, 02:37 PM

lol... As Dale pointed out, this thread is from 2005!

simi-steading · #77 12/03/12, 02:42 PM

New person found and commented on a really old thread....

Kinda glad they did though.. interesting thoughts from a lot of people..

I don't get the OP's despise for a neighbor doing what would actually be a good deed... I'd have no problem with a neighbor putting wire on my fence posts.. no matter which side of the post it is.. .

fishhead · #78 12/03/12, 02:44 PM

I would like a new electric fence. I would NOT like someone to put it up without talking to me first. If he feels entitled to do this to your fence what else will he feel free to do in the future?

notbutanapron · #79 12/03/12, 03:27 PM

I would assume if someone put an electric fence on the side of a 100 acre property with cattle, it was because a cow had broken a fence or he had experience with a cow breaking a fence and didn't know about the T side of the posts [I think we call those posts star pickets here]. Plus, the electric wire would totally protect my expensive fence... and the two something hundred dollar chargers you'd need... man...

I only have a few acres right now and I'd be upset if the neighbour did it now - mostly because it's only a few acres and I'm right bloody here.

As for children, I've seen children dare each other to PEE on the things. Hilarity ensued. It's like instant intelligence testing. Be afraid of the kid who keeps peeing on the fence for attention. XD

Also, I may not have cattle but I have a fancy expensive garden I don't want cows eating - so who knows what's on his fence. Maybe his smokable plants? haha.

I know this post is old but I read the whole thing before I saw it and I have opinions that need to be heard by nobody, goshdarnit.

arabian knight · #80 12/03/12, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleK

Seriously? 7 1/2 years? Talk about a zombie thread

Ya really if this has not been settled by now there is no hope.