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Old 04/12/05, 10:15 AM
 
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Since they don't exist any more... except in select areas in Texas. None of us own our land... there is no "allodial title" any longer. Want me to prove it? Everyone who isn't required to pay property tax owns their land... simple. If you OWN the land, you don't pay for it year after year. If you pay property tax, you are 'renting' the right to the land... but enough about that... for a full discussion of this, find recent work by M. Badnarik.

You have a right to be indignant over someone coming onto "your land" to do something you;ve not approved. you have NO RIGHT to be angered over the county / town doing something along THEIR road easement. The easement exists so that the town / county can maintain the road AS THEY SEE FIT.

Have a coffee and a Marlboro and CALM DOWN!

R
Somehow, I don't think caffeine and nicotine would help me very much! LOL
On a more serious note- Why should we just bow to arbitrary bureaucratic power?
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Old 04/12/05, 12:40 PM
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but How do they make a Law like "no abandoned vehicles within 200 feet of road" kind of laws? That is clearly BEYOND the right of way....?
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Old 04/12/05, 01:08 PM
 
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I'm a bit confused on the exact issue here.

Country roads here in my part of Minnesota were 100' easement from the centerline, some like mine were increased to 120' lately. Township gravel roads can be 50 or 66 or 75 feet from centerline most of the time. These issues are strictly enforced, no contruction or rocks or anything are allowed in this zone. Fence lines need to be 15' behind the line - that kinda chaps my hide, the county steals an additional 15' even tho I do not have a fence near the road, I think that is stealing.

Now, some old homesteads are grandfathered in closer of course, but I found a big rock in a field, movesd it to the power pole (which should be 10' in on my property) to pick up later. Got a letter from the county a week later, no rocks allowed on the easement.....

So, if you are 15 or 20 feet from the road, then it probably has become their trees & their fence to chop up. These easements are paid for by the county as they are laid out or widened, will see it on the deed, and you don't have rights to that land any more.

Here in Minnesota, tree lines close to the road are miserable, snowdrifts on the road, requires 10x as much money to remove snow all winter. Ain't no one going to cry for a row of shrubby trees removed from a road ditch around here.....

Now, should this row of shrub trees be on your property (as some other happening mentioned here appear to be) then I totally agree, the township/county had no right to do what they did, and I would want things fixed to some satisfaction.

Just not sure what exactly we are talking about here?

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Old 04/12/05, 06:19 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Oilpatch197
but How do they make a Law like "no abandoned vehicles within 200 feet of road" kind of laws? That is clearly BEYOND the right of way....?
That's what I'm talking about! Some bureaucrat decides only new cars near the road. Next, another decides you have to mow- i.e. maintain a lawn under three inches, and what about sidewalks,.... ad infinitum!
Who decided right-of-way requirements to begin with?
Big fish, little pond syndrome- Just some yo-yo's power trip!
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Old 04/12/05, 06:42 PM
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in general wisconsins road easements are 60 feet, if you have a powerline on your side of the road the powerline easement is 20 feet wide....
so if youre on the side of the road with the powerline they could concievabley cut in about 30 feet from the edge of the road, and theres little you could do about it ....

you know , living down herein arkansas one of the things i miss is being able to see around corners cause thebrush is cut back ....

they dont do it here... on our road you literally have to stay in the middle , because otherwise the trees rub the car....
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Old 04/13/05, 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
Since they don't exist any more... except in select areas in Texas. None of us own our land... there is no "allodial title" any longer. Want me to prove it? Everyone who isn't required to pay property tax owns their land... simple. If you OWN the land, you don't pay for it year after year. If you pay property tax, you are 'renting' the right to the land... but enough about that... for a full discussion of this, find recent work by M. Badnarik.

You have a right to be indignant over someone coming onto "your land" to do something you;ve not approved. you have NO RIGHT to be angered over the county / town doing something along THEIR road easement. The easement exists so that the town / county can maintain the road AS THEY SEE FIT.
...and that township has elected officials!!!
Township Road commisioners will usually help you out, because they don't want to loose their job.

BTW how do I NOT pay property taxes?
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Property Tax Exemptions
Who qualifies for a property tax exemption?
Your organization must

* be an exclusively beneficent and charitable, religious, educational, or governmental organization, and
* own the property that is used exclusively for charitable, religious, educational, or governmental purposes and not leased or used for profit,

to qualify for a property tax exemption in Illinois.
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