PA is Starting an Animal Identification System.. ?? Big Brother ??

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The thing that puzzles me is how they are going to tag all the deer on my property(carry chronic wasting disease)all the buffalo in yelowstone,the elk on my place etc etc etc... My only comment is thaat we as a society need to take responsabilty for our food. Until then stupid programs like this will keep popping up...lee

I want to get an old branding iron from a western ranch, and get it heating, so that when these people want to mark my animals, while they are bent down occupied with that, I can shove that hot iron up against their backsides and see how they like being marked. What would I like to mark them with? Hmm....how about the number 666, JBT, or a nice bullseye pattern.

Then again, there are the marks of various diameters that range from .17 to .50 caliber in size that might work as well. Or the multiple marks that come in sizes from 8 to 2 size shot up to 00 and 000 buck.

The funny thing is, and it is not funny "ha ha", is that most of the outbreaks happen in commercial animal warehouse kind of farms or where animals are fed medicated, antibiotic laced feed 24/7. My animals get what they need to take care of parasites, but not dosed all the time for no reason. These animals of mine are spoiled and treated better than most.

They need to focus on the things that go on in the USDA certified slaughterhouses and packing plants over the small dozen or less animal farms and ranches of the little guys and gals. I drink raw milk and have been for several months and the tummy troubles I used to have are no more since drinking natural milk chilled right from the goat. That is my experience and for me that is sufficient. I don't let strange people around my animals in case they might have a disease or contamination from another location.

For me, telling someone to stay clear of my animals because I don't know where they have been is a valid concern. If they get close to the animals, I will do whatever it takes to keep them away.

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WOW
Why is that big bro has to have thier ^&$% fingers in ALL our business? So I have a few chickens?? I KNOW they are 5000 times healthier and happier than ANY of the processing farm birds. I say leave us alone we are harming no one in fact I think we are too healthy and they dont like that...no mind control. They do want us to eat their hormone filled meat cloned veggies and the like...wholesome food is going to be non existant if this keeps up. Its all going to be packaged.....
Whats next they want to know what we are growing in our gardens??? Oh PLEEZZZEEEEE............
Ok theres my rant about that
Get out your tin foil hats big bro is commin!!!!

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I wouldn't mind letting them know what I have as long as they would keep an account of all the wild geese daily they have comming in to pollute my property every day since they will not come in to keep them off as they promised three years in a row, but never came, gave up on them, now the geese take off everytime they see me comming,, I wonder why?? Also all them wild animals keep comming and keep the numbers changing all the time, I wish they would keep them away since I believe that is where a lot of the diseases are comming from, not our animals but being brought in by the animals that they have seasons on. The geese brought in a lot of weeds that the pond is bad shape and is going to cost me a few bucks to clean it up this year,yes I need a permit to use them chemicals to clean it up or hire a professional, right.

Read: www.usda.gov/nais

Anyone get Poultry Press?

Good front page article on the NAIS.

Yes Helena, I received one of those earlier in the year. I had filled it out and was getting ready to mail it when I decided to read it closer. Mine ended up thown away in the garbage! It had stated that this was voluntary but in either 2006 or 2007 it will be mandatory. It mentioned that all animals would have to be marked and I raise goats & chickens. I don't want tags in my goats ears, or have them tattooed or branded. I don't want bands on my chickens legs either. I'm not going to do anything until I'm forced to do it, and even then I'll probably fight them. I know in the literature it stated that whatever fees or costs involved in tagging the animals will be paid for by the person owning the animals. Yeah, keep raising our costs so it is unprofitable for us to raise animals. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

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Michael W. Smith in North-West Pennsylvania

"Everything happens for a reason."

It's a great idea!

We're not talking about a little disease giving cattle just a case of the "sniffles" - this is serious stuff. Biosecurity and terrorism. It is a new world...new diseases.

All these negative posts would be different if a herd down the road becomes infected - impacting your herd, your family and your income.

I am not complying nor am I going to fill out forms
tnborn

This isn't anything to joke about...perhaps my perspective is different because I've seen what an outbreak can do...

I grew up on a farrow to finish family hog farm during a pseudorabies outbreak in the area. We had to be very, very careful...

Pseudorabies is a herpes virus. The condition causes stillbirths and death. And, it isn't limited to hogs - dogs and cattle can be affected. Even if the pig isn't around anymore - the virus can hang around a place for three weeks.

The disease is spread so many ways...airborne (up to 2 miles), carried on your boots - your truck - on your body. People with infected herds, selling animals at the salebarn, driving onto other farmsteads with animals...going into the farm supply store with it on their boots.

The disease was particularly devasting to families whose herds were exposed by no fault of their own, but due to the carelessness of others.

Not to mention virus crossing species...

If mapping/monitoring herds prevents a serious outbreak of something like a herpes virus that causes death and crosses species...then I'm all for it!

This is just phase one of Monsanto's plan to own all the animals in the world.
First they tag and then kill the existing base. (Pseudo disease remedy)
Then they provide "replacements" that just happen to come from their "patented" genetic stock.

Here's how we get revenge. When they go to phase two, which will be the implanting of RFID's in the beasts, we take the tags down to the dog pound and inject them into all the strays.

Likewise, we start re-programming the numbers in the RFID's and injecting those in miscellaneous animals. Imagine their surprise when their WI-FI plans zero in on a wild turkey!

And as soon as an outbreak occurs, every animal that could catch the disease in a 25 mile radius is going to be killed whether or not they were infected or not.

If it's such a great idea, maybe we should start doing this with people too? As was said previously, most places that have problems are the big farms, not the little hobby farms. And perhaps if the big farms would give their animals more room to move around in, better diets, etc., they wouldn't have a problem either.

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Michael W. Smith in North-West Pennsylvania

"Everything happens for a reason."

Our farm was not a huge farm but we did raise baby pigs...it was a family farm on 80 acres. We had the usual chickens, pigs, sheep, horses and a big family.

The herds impacted were not just these huge corporate farms with hogs in confinement. It impacted all of us...and it can impact you.

Bad Idea.Its the 'Terrorist' boogy man all over again.Its for our safety,PUHLEEZE!
Weve survived fine without them up until now,and will continue to survive.

Just another grab at your freedom,wont even be able to eat without the governments consent.I find that very disturbing at the least.

Another grab to place us into complete slavery to the beast.
Spare me the boogy man scenario,I dont buy it for a minute.

BooBoo

Agreed BooBoo...

I am with you Michael, won't do it, until they make me... I mean physically make me. And then I will probably go to jail.

It has NOTHING to do with "disease" and all things to do with control.

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Not sure that revenge is practical, aren't the injected tags the size of a grain of rice?

It is a sad sate of affairs when moral laws are being replaced with frivolous laws (usually under the guise of safety, it is how to get the majority to comply) What's it to the State if I wear my seatbelt or not? If I choose to not wear one, that does not damage another being. (BTW I am very much for the use of seatbelt restraints)
Yes, the little farmer does have safer meat and grain, he genuinely cares about what he produces and provides. I really doubt safety IS the issue, only the excuse.

You know, if you put a frog in cool water and slowly raise the temp - he will happily sit there and boil to death. Slowly make the changes - people will maybe wrinkle their eyebrows a little, then shrug their shoulders and move on, not that big a deal anyhow - right? but before you know it you can compare the outcome to the premise and they are no longer related. But, it is too late - the water was comfy cozy and we did not even realise when it started to boil.

"vatican II" used the same tactic.

I'm in complete agreement with ReluctantPatriot, and the majority of you. I would not even acknowledge that garbage in the mail, much less comply. As long as I am not hurting anyone else, what I do on my property, the animals I care for, are my business.

I do not believe for one second that my backyard flock of laying hens, nor my 1 horse, are endangering anyone through the spread of disease or bioterrorism, or any of the fancy new words the govt wants to scare us with. Funny, civilization managed to thrive all this time without anyone checking up on the health of our private animals.

At some point we ALL have to stop giving up our rights or there will be none left!

Glad to see so many will take a stand on this animal chipping.Sign me up to refuse the animal chips too.My future ducks and bunnies sure dont need chips for any reason I can come up with.

My hats off to you all who wont comply ,you made my day.

BooBoo

Let me get this straight:

1) It's all about individual rights
2) The government is out to get you
3) Everyone thinks their hobby livestock operations are immune from disease?

Since backyard poultry was brought up - let's talk about Exotic Newcastles Disease. Death rates approach 100% in unvaccinated flocks. Confirmed in 2002 backyard flocks in California, Nevada, Arizona AND THEN spread to commercial operations.

This disease (like many livestock diseases) can be airborne or introduced through either contact with contaminated shoes, caretakers, feed deliveries, visitors, tires, dirty equipment, feed sacks, crates, or wild birds.

Your government and universities are monitoring diseases like Exotic Newcastles Disease so they can learn more. Currently, disease prevention is the only approach for this disease because there is no specific treatment.

So your little backyard flock is not safe from this disease...a wild bird can fly in and infect your birds. And then your flock can infect others.

Use common sense...and if you decide not to take part in any identification and can't show at fairs, or market your animals in a sale barn - so be it - your choice.

(By the way, many states are "mapping" flocks/livestock - not necessarily using chips)

Hey BaronsMom...

I think you are a little naieve about this... are you aware of the plans for animal id???

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtml

That's from their "about" section.
And that...

http://www.usaip.info/ for more info.

I suppose you can call all of us paranoid, but to me this seems particularly obvious as to what they are doing in the name of security.

Edited to add... so if I just remain status quo with what I am doing and don't jump through the government hoops... I am a criminal. Help me understand how this is a good thing and how it is protecting me from bioterrorism. It seems I am better protected if I can walk into my back yard and eat what I want, when I want, rather than the government regulating me into dependence on them.

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The problem is that the government and the universities are in the pockets of the major corporations. Their cattle, birds, etc. will all magically "comply" with whatever disease du'jour the USDA uses so that they will not need to be eradicate. The small farms will not be so lucky, but with registration, they will be easy targets. By wiping out the diversity of the competition, the corporations can force everyone to them use only the seedstock they offer.

We have been far too trusting for too long of the government ag people.
That's how farming got in the mess it is in.