uggggggh!!

The original POSTER said it was someone on the boards.

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Hi,

I think that if you have an animal for sale that you don't want eaten as in the case of a goat or sheep or pig or even a cow - then that should be stated in the ad. For Pet only. Of course once the sale is made, and you are out of a job, then old Bossy might start looking pretty good as hamburger..

I guess I am the type of person that I will question a person about how they intend to take care of the animal, especially a horse since that is what I have always raised. But just the general questions like: Do you have a shelter, what kind? What do you intend to feed the horse? Do you have pasture or paddocks, what kind of fencing, etc. I have turned down purchasers who said: I'm going to tie the horse out to a tree I got in my backyard (horrors!) and one who had no clue what horse's needed as far as food - "you mean I gotta feed it every day? How much? well, I don't know about that"...

I do that just so I get a feel for whether the person can take care of the animal and whether they fully understand what this animal eats, costs to feed etc.

But once the check is written, it's their horse. If they keep the horse one day and sell it the next, then it is still their horse. If they run it through a sale, it is still their horse. If they show it, breed it, etc. it is their horse. they paid for it, and can do what they want with it. I would hope that they would take care of it while in their control, but even then, I can't make them do that.

I see this alot in the horse industry, all kinds of strings and conditions, etc. I especially like the ones where you adopt a horse, but it really still belongs to the adoption agency..ha! like I'm going to feed their horse, take care of it, and if the whim strikes, they can come relieve me of the horse at any time. I did find one agency that I could work with that turns the horse over after 2 years, but many own the horse for it's entire life, with you, the adopter, having to bare all the expenses. That is not for me. What if something happened and I needed to sell the horse to pay for an operation? I see ads that state: Owner has right to buy horse back if horse is ever sold, or horse must return to previous owner in the event purchaser does not want horse any more, purchaser cannot breed horse, purchaser cannot jump horse, etc. My question is; if you want the animal back, why sell it to begin with? Why not just lease the horse out?

But in the case of a regular sale, I try to match the horse with the owner pretty well, and will call a couple of times to check up and see if the horse/owner relationship is going well. I've only had one horse returned in all these years and it was just too much horse for the lady and we swapped and she left a Happy Camper with the horse I tried to get her to buy to start with. Some people just won't listen and a deal does not turn out well, if that happens, I will take the horse back and refund the money within 30 days.

I guess if you don't like the conditions, you can always find another seller. That is what makes the sales world go round...there's always another whatever around the corner that someone wants to buy and someone wants to sell.

Sidepasser

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If you don't like her terms, methods or conditions of sale you do as you've done and walk away. You've been honest in your approach and true to yourself, caused no harm and are free to proceed as you like. Drive on. As a businessman I've given up trying to cater to every whim, if what I got don't impress them they can take their money somewhere else cause I don't want to earn it their way. Ok it sounds a little bitter if the world didn't suck we'd all fall off. Heck Ii moderate the sheep board and have no idea who's being talked about so I wouldn't let it bother you!

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Well I managed to figure out who we are talking about just for curiosities sake.
It wasnt hard to do.

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It didn't strike me that saying "no names" automatically indicated that the person in question was associated with this board. Surely one wouldn't want to name someone "in the trade" with a matter like this.

There is a real MFer part of me that would want to buy the animal then send her a picture of myself eating it but I have a bit of a mean streak in me that creeps out from time to time. Serves me well at times but I find myself somewhat conflicted about it.

Once you sell something the buyer may do with it as he wishes. If you can't deal with that reality you shouldn't be selling the item. Once you start calling livestock babies or start thinking of your pets as children you probably have some sort of deeper psychological issue. I love my pets but they are animals not people nor are they babies.

I know a person that use to scan the papers for "free puppies" or "dog to give away" ads in the paper and sell them to medical labs. Made some pretty good money at it too. He was also known to eat the occasional dog or cat when times got tight or he was in the mood for a change of diet. Interesting and very intelligent fellow. Has a photographic memory in almost an idiot savant rainman sort of way. A fascinating mad scientist kind of guy.

You've asked for opinions so I'll give one. You'll ask what you did wrong and I'll take a guess. What you did wrong was to talk normally and rationally. This seller isn't normal or rational. He/she expects you to treat this animal according to their very strict set of rules. You didn't meet their expectations and they blew you off. I'm with others who think you are lucky not to have gotten any deeper into this. The animal belongs to the seller and they have every right to set whatever conditions they want and there isn't a thing you can do about it. You may think it is nuts and most of us agree. Oh well! Unless they are mistreating the animal, they have every right to do it. No law against insanity! In fact, sounds like this is one of those people who is enjoying every minute of their insanity! I am too! They may never find another buyer willing to live by those conditions but that is their tough luck. Perhaps eventually reality will set in and they will begin to change their ideas. Then again, they may find a buyer who pays lip service in agreeing to those conditions and then eats the animal. I last drove 22 hours round trip to get what I wanted from a reasonable person rather than deal with someone who wanted me to follow what I believed were ridiculous rules. It has been WELL WORTH the drive and I HATE to drive!

Ok, now that I anm cooled off let me clarify a couple of things.

I did not mention her name cuz I wanted to protect her. I guess in my haste I prvided to much info. I realy did not intend for anyone to search out the subject of my rantings.Curiosity does sometimes rule. Any way I am the one with the problem. She did not get on here and fume about me although she may now. I may indead learn what it is I did that rubbed her wrong.

My intentions..... Those beautiful beasts would have been loved, pampered, observed, shown, woven, bred, and possibly if the occasion warrented turned over to dh to be prepaired into what I have heard to be some gooood mutton.
I have an affection for these babydolls, navajo choro, and the blach welsh. They are ancient breeds, good foragers, easy breeders, good mothers, resistant to many problems.I want to be a party to seeing these breads sustained. But they also are good eating. I for one feel that livestock are food. Anyone ever see Homer J. Simpson (Im almost embarrassed to mention this) pick out the lobster, name him, spoil him, feeding him all the best food, speaking loveinly to him,carrying him around like an infant, cookiny him with care and cying :waa: good lobster with every bite, while the family looked on in wanting to share in the bounty.?

If an animal can not in some way pay its keep, then you had better be rich.
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