I was carded!! At Wal-Mart!!

We have all of these restrictions on the meth precursors in Missouri and all the suggestions on how to prevent identity theft are on the TV and radio and in newspapers and on websites. Still, the criminals find a way to continue on with their crimes. The honest person gets shafted for the evils of the few.

I heard at least a few months ago, if not several, that some scientists had figured out a way to put an additive in the anhydrous ammonia used by farmers which would not inhibit the function as a crop fertilizer but would make it useless for meth cooking and would be a fluorescent purple for at least 72 hours after exposed to air, effectively marking those who steal the material. If they get that into all of the tanks in the state, that would make for a pretty good deterent. Then again, the meth cooks might figure out away to still make meth with another chemical or find a new drug to make.

If you want an effective, if brutal, solution to meth cooks, allow them only one cooking violation, then the second time they are caught cooking meth, have them taken out in the town square or other public forum and publicly execute him or her. Repeat the process for each second time meth cook offender. Eventually the idea that being a meth cook is a bad career move will sink in. Those who have the pieces to make something are not wrongly accused because they are not cooking, just as a woman, or man, is not wrongly accused for having all the parts to be a prostitute when there is not wrongful act.

Something that gets me on the huffable materials is the fact that they don't limit gasoline purchases to 18 years or older, but they do the gasline antifreeze product, glues and spray paints. Granted, that might put a pinch on anyone under 18 holding a job if they have to drive a car and would hamper the kid that has a summer lawnmowing business or works on a farm.

Crime will happen when there is sufficient desire to carry out an act, no matter how much we restrict things. The best that we can hope for is to keep the number of wrongly accused innocents down to as close to zero as we can.

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I just need to offer my two cents worth.

I work at a gas sation and I have to card people who appear to be 31 or younger for cigarettes (we don't handle alcohol but our sister store does) and the mens magazines (i.e. Playboy), when you hand me your ID I have to scan it through our register. If I fail to do this and it was part of a company or county sting for compliance to the law and I failed to do any of the above I could lose my job, go to jail or both.

We also have issues with meth in our county. Meth costs our county over 1 million dollars in tax payer dollars. I have also had problems with the paranoia of a meth user in my store (something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy).

As for ID with credit cards technically if anything other than your signature appears on the back of your credit card it can be considered invalid. It says in small print on the back "not valid until signed" I checked this out with the bank
and that is truely the case. I understand why people put "See ID" on their cards
but beware a retailer can choose not to accept it as payment. Also a retailer can verify signatures with a second form of ID at anytime so I don't recommend shopping with out it if you don't wished to be inconvienenced(sp?).

I am truely surprised by the amount of people that are driving on the roads or want to purchase items that may require them to show their ID then they're put out when we request it by only doing our jobs (clerks really are not trying to make your life difficult!) when they don't have it on them and then they're angry at us. Good greif :no:

Getting off my soap box now!
Born Anew

Pretty soon we will be limited to 3 plastic Walmart shopping bags and carded for those. After all huffing is simply using a chemical to limit oxygen intake. You are actually starving for oxygen and only think you are getting high. Well guess what, you can get same effect with a plastic bag. Now gotta stop those people so anybody under 18 either needs paper or cloth bag or has to take their purchased items minus any bag. Hmm, they couldnt buy any produce in plastic either. No lettuce sold to anybody under 18......... Hey we probably could get it to point where those under 18 couldnt buy anything and the rest of us have to have security clearance and post a $100k bond. Might actually help society.

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"Well, then ignore what I have to say and go with what works for you." -Eliot Coleman

I bought some DVDs on tuesday, and despite the fact that I'm obviously a senior, I was not only carded, but the clerk had to enter my date of birth from my DL into her terminal in order to continue the transaction. This was before she could ring up any other item, so it had nothing to do with how I was going to pay. With something like a DVD, it's not even an issue of whether it's going to be used for the manufacture of an illicit drug. When I used to work at Wally World back in 1999, the register used to pop up with a simple reminder that could be ended with a single keystroke, and that was all.

As far as limiting purchases of "meth precursors", even limiting purchasers to one item is only going to force them to make return trips to multile cashiers on the same shopping trip to obtain any quantity they desire, and if they want to speed things up, they'll just bring along friends to help them buy.

You can bet the cookers are just laughing at the fool lawmakers that think these limits are even making a dent in the meth lab business. From all the reports I hear, meth labs are on the increase, so obviously those limits are not working, so why continue to punish us law abiding folk?

As far as fear of showing ID, with the upward trend in identity theft, I can definitely sympathize with the concerns of many. You never know who you can trust with your information.

Bob

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A guy I work with has a son that is recovering from drug addiction including meth. He was saying today that his son told him a bunch of meth makers would all go out separately and hit a bunch of stores, to get enough sudafed. They were determined enough to spend the extra time to do this to get around the purchase limits. It doesn't sound like much of a deterrent to me.

Carded for DVD's???!!! Well, I suppose if I went out to buy a PG 13 rated movie and had my underage kids with me they might refuse to sell it to me... :no:

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Pamda, it was the children's tylenol cold medicine. I purchased 1 Nyquil, 1 Dayquil, 1 Robitussin and the children's tylenol cold medicine. I know they were just going for the fourth item....they would have kept they Nyquil if it were the fourth item in line.
It didn't slow me down too much, I just went to the grocery store to purchase the tylenol. I live an hour away and have to stock up when I'm in town.

Again, I said it was our local post office. I'm almost sure it's only the one clerk that enforces the rule that is posted at each desk. At the store I manage, we're allowed to refuse acceptance of any card that is not signed. The cards clearly say that they must be signed to be valid. I will not ask for ID simply because the customer has written "see ID," "C ID," or "check ID." We use Paymentech as our credit card server. I have the authority to request a photo ID for any transaction. If a transaction is for any amount over $100 or if the card cannot be swiped and must be hand keyed, I must make a hard copy of the card with the knuckle buster. I'm not happy about any of it. Personally, I refuse to have a credit card. I rarely use my debit card, but as the above poster stated, retail sales jobs require following the rules. When I started this thread, I knew there would be some heated discussion, and I enjoy it, but I was really just wondering why I was carded to buy some STP gas treatment.

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