I was carded!! At Wal-Mart!!

I was in the grocery store and wanted to buy a pck of cigarettes. The checkout girl asked me for ID. As I didn't have any she would'nt sell them to me. The gentleman in back of me said he would get them for me. She would not give them to him either as she knew he would give them to me. Now the kicker. I'm 76 yrs young. Duh. Maybe I should be happy she thought I was under age. :haha:

Then why do so many stores have card swipe stations where the checkout clerk never even sees the card. Heck I go to a number of restraunts that dont even have you sign your reciept.

If paying my CC I am ok with Seeing my ID, They may not write anything down buy may see it for verifications.. If I am paying with cash then I will NOT show ID for anything. I dont buy beer or cigarettes so there is nothing they need to see my ID for.

__________________
Gary in Central Ohio

I would ask them to show you the law or the store policy that says this.

__________________
Gary in Central Ohio

Tell them its non of there business.

__________________
Gary in Central Ohio

I have had "check ID" written on the back of my credit and check cards for years. I can count the number of times someone's asked for it on one hand. I had several cashiers turn the card over, look at the back of the card, then hand it back without asking for the ID. I can only assume they either cannot read or just flip it over without really looking to give the appearance of doing their job.

People seem to forget that spray paint can also be used for painting and gas treatment can be used in a car. We can't go thru life treating people as if their every intention is to commit a crime just because they are under 18. It makes no sense. So once they are 18, they will only use spray paint and STP for good? What's next, no Sharpies, elmers glue or modeling glue unless you can prove you are 18?

And it is absurd to think that allowing someone to buy only 3 bottles of cold medicine at a time will deter anyone wanted to use it illicitly. It's part of the misguided war on drugs.

Protect our youth by assuming they are all up to no good.

__________________
Ultra Lord is not afraid of chickens!

Meth is a serious problem, & I applaude efforts to curb it.

You offer no better solutions, it is easy to critisize?

Modeling glue has been on a restricted sell deal for many years around here.

What is the problem with trying some responsibility? If you don't like the current attempts, how about offering a better plan?

I don't think it is moral to just shrug your shoulders & do nothing....

I farm, the attacks on NH3 tanks is becoming very serious. As well, most counties around me have imposed laws requiring property owners to pay for meth lab cleanups (very expensive, done under EPA guidelines) even if they had no knowledge or consent of such a thing.

As well, we will soon be required to put $100 worth of locks on all those white tanks. That will cost each farmer what, $300-400? And a whole lot more inconvienience dealing with locks & keys out in the back 40 than flashing your driver's licence at the checkout......

You bet I want to do what I can to curb this problem. Sure it's inconvienent in some cases, and no it doesn't stop everything.

What are you hiding from? Just seems odd if people have a problem with this. The meth problem is a lot more than a little inconvienience to many. It costs real dollars & real lives.

They need a lot of Sudifed, so limits on it's supply is one attempt at limiting meth's manufature in a community. Changing it's chemical type would be a better idea, and that is possible.

All states I know of issue ID cards that are the equivilent to a drivers licence, without the driving endorcement. If you need ID & don't drive, the option is there for all.

And I don't like bans on things either; seems most of the things mentioned are slight inconvieniences, not total bans?

Just don't get this thread, don't mean to pick on you, and I know I'm only one small cog in a big world.

--->Paul

I guess I look at the world differently than you. The way to stop meth dealers is not to have WalMart card me when I'm trying to buy gas treatment or cold medicine. The way to stop teenagers from huffing is not to make it against the law for my kid to buy modeling glue to build a model with. None of this will stop the problem.

I was not aware it was a requirement to have a solution before you point out a method is flawed. That works poorly in most situations. Off the top of my head - more police action, harsher penalties, more drug education.

Do you really think any meth producer has walked out of WalMart thinking "Dang, they only let me buy 3 bottles. I'll have to close down the lab now." Or some teen gives up on getting high and kicks the entire drug habit because a WalMart employee refused to sell them spray paint. Of course not. These actions deter no one. It only stops that innocent kid who wants to buy a can of spraypaint for some project they are building in the garage or some confused dad trying to cover all his bases so his sick wife doesn't send him back to the store.

What I am opposed to is the presumption that I am a criminal. Or the presumption that anyone under 18 is up to no good. These are more than slight inconvienences, they are the wrong way to look at people and society and will only lead to worse and more restrictive policies.

From your post, I can only assume that you are in favor of treating everyone like criminals because you do not want to be responsible for securing the chemicals and materials on your own property. Maybe you should have to have a guard on duty 24/7 to watch those tanks. After all, "The meth problem is a lot more than a little inconvienience to many. It costs real dollars & real lives." - you wouldn't want that to happen just because of the inconvienience to you. Or is your inconvienience more important than mine? It seems your tanks are a much more desireable source than WalMarts cold remedies. What are YOU hiding?? A meth lab, perhaps????? After all, you wouldn't need all that stuff if you weren't using it in a meth lab. Isn't that the logic here?

Hmmm - more of a thread for Gen Chat, really.

__________________
Ultra Lord is not afraid of chickens!

Were you buying childrens cold formula Tylenol or plain childrens Tylenol? I hope it was the cold formula because if not then things are so far out of control. As tylenol does not have the additives to make meth with. The government does not get that if the drug cookers can't get the ingrediants over the counter they will rob, steal and injure people to get them. Or they will rework the formula to use other chemicals to do the same thing. Treating all people like potental law breakers really is not the way to go but the government has less of a grasp on reality in this day and time than ever.

I cringe every time I cross the threshold of a China-Mart. I have been less than impressed with the company for quite some time now and, fortunately, it is a rare trip that calls for a visit to one of their stores. Prices aren't anything special anymore, product is sometimes inferior, and I won't even go into everything national news media has already said about them.

I was standing at the CS desk about a year ago to return a copy of a CD that had been given to me as a gift. It was simply a replacement for an old copy that had been destroyed. The odd thing about it was that the lyrics were not the same as on my previous copy. I didn't know what the problem was but also didn't want something that was possibly flawed. Standing in line for a few minutes brought a notice posted behind the desk to my attention. It would appear that Wal-Mart is in violation of First Amendment Rights in that they require recording artists to cut different versions of lyrics that Wal-Mart might find "objectionable". Read that to mean that if an artist wants to sell records through Wal-Mart they have to change their songs to conform to what Wal-Mart will sell.

They card you for everything from cigarettes to alcohol, which I totally understand, to spray paint and "crazy glue". Yet, when I hand them (or just about anyone else) a debit or credit card that says "ask for ID" no one ever does. I've literally signed for things as "Kermit the Frog", "Jimmy Hendrix" and "Mark Twain" after an employee has read the back of my card and neglected to ask me for my ID and no one has ever said word one about it.

It's all fine, well, and good that someone wants to play "big brother" - in this instance Wal-Mart - but if you're going to do it try doing it in a manner that actually protects everyone from criminals and not from themselves. Last I saw, I still have a limited number of rights, endangered and dwindling as they may be. Instead of trying to "protect" kids (or people in general) from themselves why not hold both them and their parents accountable for their actions? Is it really that amazing that we, as a species, have managed to survive up to this point without things like seat belt laws, drinking age limits, lyric censorship etc. ? Personally, I think that if you're dumb enough to look down the barrel of a gun and pull the trigger to see if it's loaded then you deserve to get an answer to that question. I, for one, am tired of people trying to blame McDonalds for their obesity or getting burned because Dunkin Donuts didn't have a disclaimer on their cups saying "careful - coffee is extremely hot". If an individual doesn't have enough common sense to know whether or not to do something then maybe, just maybe, society as a whole should stop protecting them. The zebra that doesn't learn to run from the lions doesn't live very long - but the rest of the herd survives because of it and maybe it educates some of the younger ones.....

I have to go find a bigger box for all of this new soap now....

But what is ridiculous is only targeting those under 18. That's what doesn't make sense here. You'd think all meth labs are run by teenagers, when it's more likely adults. Maybe it would be better to ask everyone for i.d. when they buy one of those chemicals, the add them all to a registry? Would that be just a little inconvenience for you? Scary.

Here in Nebraska our govenor is pushing a law that would require you to show id and sign a logbook to purchase Sudephed. Meth is a big problem here, especially in the remote areas but I just can't see the government taking this much of our freedom away. There are a lot of large families in our area and it can take a lot of childrens cold meds to get through a single cold. I could see large families being targets of investigations simply because they purchased a large amount of meds. This is another program that will require more of our tax dollars and I'm sure the Meth dealers will find a way around being detected.
I used to live in a rural area in California. The county sherriff started a program where senior citizens volunteered to help patrol the county. They were provided cars and training by the county. Their job was to simply report any suspicous activities and a deputy would respond and check it out. I know cattle rustling was cut in half and other crimes also dropped but I can't remember just what the stastistics were. I doubt a program like this would be allowed today because of all the legal red tape.

I told you so. Maybe Chuck will move it, but I may never see it again. I'm trying to stay away from there. Kind of a New Year's resolution, I'm not doing so well though.

I'm not aware of any credit card company asking you to not sign the back of your card, but asking you to write "see ID" instead. The last I heard, it was still legally required for a credit card to have an actual signature on it. The local post office still refuses to accept any credit or check cards that are not signed with an actual name.

__________________
I'm back...for now.

Simple. Stop telling people what pharmaceuticals they can and cannot use. If people could just walk into the drug store and buy whatever amphetamines they chose to then there wouldn't be any meth making. For umpteen years you could go into any drug store and walk out with cocaine and opiates. We had a subculture of drug addicts as we have always had but we didn't have a drug problem and the associated crime like we do now. If you want to poison yourself with chronic amphetamine abuse go right ahead. I frankly don't care. If you start causing problems in public and commit an actual crime then we will lock you up. I am far less afraid of a drug user than I am of the horrendous loss of freedom that has resulted from the drug war. The BS meth precursor laws are just another example of it. A farmer with his anhydrous and some Coleman fuel, coffee filters, red devil lye and some cold medicine has meth precursors. Don't think some crooked A hole bureaucrat/DA/drug task force/LEA wouldn't like to bust that farmer, put him in jail and seize his assets. Even if eventually you were found innocent they could still keep your land due to asset forfeiture laws thanks to the "Drug War". Government always seems to have this predilection for creating a problem and then limiting Liberty to solve it. Of course it never gets solved and Liberty is further limited for "public safety" and for *ugh* the most played out reason "for the children".


The first amendment has nothing to do with a private business such as walmart. It is a limit on the powers of GOVERNMENT. Neither is it the government "granting rights". The constitution doesn't grant anything to anyone. It is a limit of the power of government. If wal-mart says you have to cut the naughty words out of your songs to sell your CD in their store they are perfectly within their rights to do so. If you don't like it open your own store or don't buy from them. I generally don't buy things at wal-mart simply because their stores are too dang big. i want to get in and get out not traipse a mile to pick up one item. I find myself sopping more on-line so i don't have to deal with big stores.


These stupid meth precursor laws requiring logbook will just result in the fudging of numbers by crooked clerks so their chef friends get 1 package when they actually get 10 and everyone else in the book gets their numbers upped a bit to make up the difference. The wrong doors get knocked down at 3 am, lands and property get seized and worse.


Now if said drug user could just walk into wal-mart pharmacy and buy his amphetamines wouldn't it be much simpler? Maybe he gets carded but everyone else keeps their liberty. Who loses? The drug user? He gets higher quality product with less impurities to eat his brain. If he turns into a hardcore addict maybe he dies (so what-cleansing the gene pool has its price) but because the drugs are available and no more expensive than aspirin he doesn't have to rob and steal to get money to buy them. The drug runners and foreign kingpins lose. They are out of job. The dealers are out of job. The meth chefs are out of a job and they won't be sticking up the 7-11 to get sudafed. Politicians, crooked cops, and the bureaucracy loses because they don't have a phony "Drug War" bringing in tax dollars and forfeited property and cash. The "Drug War" has been the most corrupting influence on law enforcement we have ever had. We tried this once with alcohol prohibition and it didn't work then and it isn't working with drugs now.

Look at the pluses for us in the countryside. The meth chefs will stay in their cities and slums and not go riding around in the country looking for the Great White Buffalo also known as the anhydrous ammonia tank.

We wouldn't have our electric bills scrutinized by the drug warriors to see if we might have a grow operation.

We wouldn't have our bank records scrutinized by the above.

We wouldn't have our land eyeballed by low flying military helicopters every summer looking for a freaking weed. A naughty plant. They also wouldn't have to peer into my farm buildings with infrared cameras (defacto searching the interior without a warrant mind you) and house looking for the heat of a grow operation.

I could buy laboratory glassware without having the DEA show up at my door with a warrant.


My tax bill would go down a great deal.

The list goes on but you get my point.

"I have to go find a bigger box for all of this new soap now "

LOL. I am always being told to get off my soap box. It's a great place where we can still get on one and say our peace. PAM

the lady at the dollar general has all the cold meds behind the counter too.. I have real bad alergies once a year so I buy a box a day sometimes of the 1 bux boxes of decongestant.
I wanted to by 5 boxes so I wouldnt have to come back. she said ya cant have 5 at a time... without thinking being a smart ass I said "I cant make a full batch of crank without at least 5 boxes"
she knows me, the manager doesn and tuned 2 shades of green.
snot was running down my nose and I was sneezing so between the lady and my snot we convinced him i was kidding.
I only got 3 boxes...
watch what you kid about people have no sense of humor.

I don't know whats up with Walmart lately... but.. trying to shop as little as possible from now on. Our town pharmacy closed - went to refill an old time blood pressure medicine, not a controlled substance. I do not have insurance and pay cash. And live 35 miles away. Wanted to get 3 month supply because it would be cheaper- our old pharmacy let us do that, plus we do not get to this town very often. Nope....not allowed.. even though they quoted me 90 pill price over the phone. Said they could only give me 30 a day. I would have to come back the next day for 30, and the next day, and had to pay the 30 pill price each day.

Went to exchange a bathrobe-wrong size. Got the exact same bathrobe, same color, one size smaller with same price as the original one, but would only give me 75% of the value of the robe.. I would have to pay the difference. Is this their regular exchange policy ???

Guess I will start mail ordering more things.... Will miss the usual restraining order violation brawls of ex-spouses that are usually are part of the local color of our area Walmart !!!

Was this the S.T.A.R.S. program in San Joaquin County?

Was this the S.T.A.R.S. program in San Joaquin County


Nope, different county, but it was in the San Joaquin Valley. Perhaps this is where the sheriff got the idea. I lived near the foothills of the sierra's where there was a lot of cattle. The thing I remember the most about the program was the dramatic change in the loss of cattle. I believe this was in the late 80's. It seems like the seniors also helped fill out the paperwork on minor property damage which freed up deputies for the more serious work. Perhaps you are more familiar with this program than I am. I mostly remember reading articles in the paper saying how much this program had helped. I also had friends in law enforcement that were in favor of the program.

Yay MikeD. We're going to end up living in a Nerf World, where everything's covered in foam and bubble wrap.

Hear! Hear! It was a very good point too!