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Old 01/06/05, 11:50 AM
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"I have 61 acres (41 wooded, 20 fields), no house and my property and school taxes are $4,212 per year........a major expense for one considering builing a homestead...."

Where do you live??? Your tax bill is more than I pay for my mortgage for the entire year!! And I have a house on my property too. I won't even tell anyone what my tax bill is.... (everyone would get mad at me)
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Old 01/06/05, 12:01 PM
 
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At least they gave you a reason! I had my house built two years ago. Taxes are included in the morgage. I got this letter last summer (house then one year old) saying they had "miscalculated" the taxes. They raised my morgage almost $200.00 per month, for 12 months, to offset thier mistake! I called the credit union where I have the loan thru, and asked them about next year. They said it could stay the same, return to the original amount or be raised again! So I am worried. After the house was completed, it was already up $500.00 more than they projected when I signed on the dotted line to have it built. Grrr
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Old 01/06/05, 02:59 PM
 
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Well you all know the real name for Massachusetts - Taxachusetts

We pay $3700 for not even 3/4 an acre, $600-700 a yr. for water, and a $75 Trash Fee, public bussing fees of $250 p/child, parking spot at highschool $175,
Music fees if child plays instrument $150

The lower income families get a break on the bussing fees i believe.

I'm able to walk or drive kids to school now - luckily.

We also need a new highschool and they want to vote in a prop 2 1/2 override.

That's why we are moving in 2-3 years or sooner perhaps! CAN'T WAIT!
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Old 01/06/05, 05:09 PM
 
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If one isn't paying income tax then that person did not get a tax cut. It is impossible to cut what isn't there-seems simple enough.

We benefited from a tax cut and I don't consider it a tax break for the wealthy. It first came as a rebate for retroactive tax reduction and two dependant children and has continued as a lower withholding tax on my paycheck. In my view any tax cut is good as the producer of income knows best how to use it. And they are much more efficient with their own monies.

Liberals should be happy to pay more taxes-at least you are getting what your candidates and you by extension support. After all, the government knows who is too wealthy and who needs monies consficated from those 'wealthy' land and property holders. And of course none of us landholders earned or worked for our property. It was given to us by a rich uncle who stole it from the native americans thus we were born with a silver spoon in our collective mouths.

Maybe I can register my vehicles in Liberia...hmmmmmmmmm..........
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Old 01/07/05, 05:33 PM
 
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If one isn't paying income tax then that person did not get a tax cut. It is impossible to cut what isn't there-seems simple enough.
At the time of the rebate, both I and my DW were working and paying taxes, yet we still did not earn enough to qualify. It was hard to earn enough to qualify when we both earned near minimum wage, and didn't get enough hours to even pay all of our bills. At the time that was the only work available within reasonable distance. We were supporting two dependent children, but still did not qualify for the additional child tax credit. The only break we had was from the earned income credit for the children. We eventually worked our way out of debt.

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We benefited from a tax cut and I don't consider it a tax break for the wealthy. It first came as a rebate for retroactive tax reduction and two dependant children and has continued as a lower withholding tax on my paycheck. In my view any tax cut is good as the producer of income knows best how to use it. And they are much more efficient with their own monies.
I consider any tax break that has a minimum income level to qualify to be for the wealthy. If not, then it would apply to all income levels across the board. Maybe the word wealthy was not the best choice of words. Maybe I should have said non-poverty. :haha:

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Liberals should be happy to pay more taxes-at least you are getting what your candidates and you by extension support. After all, the government knows who is too wealthy and who needs monies consficated from those 'wealthy' land and property holders. And of course none of us landholders earned or worked for our property. It was given to us by a rich uncle who stole it from the native americans thus we were born with a silver spoon in our collective mouths.

Maybe I can register my vehicles in Liberia...hmmmmmmmmm..........
TnTnTn

Interesting perspective. However I don't share that opinion. I have seen way to many farmers here hurt by ever increasing taxes. Most are barely able to survive as it is without having to sell off parcels of land to pay their taxes. So more taxes is a bad idea in my opinion. We, and most of the others around here, worked very hard to buy our land.

I don't begrudge anyone what they own, no matter if they worked hard for it, were given it, or inherited it, ect. I just feel that ability to pay should be more of a determining factor than it is in real property taxes.

My DW is a descendent of the eastern band of cherokee native americans. That type of sarcasm may strike a nerve with some.

This tangible personal property tax issue is wrong. The state did not help me buy what I own, so why should I pay them for the use of it? I am not earning money with the personal property that they want to tax me on.

I bought all of my vehicles and other personal property while living in another state. I paid the appropriate sales tax, and I pay to renew my vehicle registrations every year. I buy fuel and pay taxes on that as well, so the state and federal government are getting their shares. I do the majority of my driving and shopping in the state that my vehicles are titled and registered in.

Because of the distances involved between towns here, the state that our land is located in does not even provide any services to our area. All services come from the state next to it. It's not fair to them to have to provide our services, rural mail delivery, ect. and they don't even get the benefit of being able to collect property taxes from us. It's downright confusing sometimes to try to explain to people why we have a mailing address, and a 911 address, for a state our property is not even located in. This caused all sorts of confusion for our social security, and took months to get ironed out.

Bob
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Old 01/10/05, 08:03 AM
 
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Got my first new tax bill for 2005 - up $300.00 since my last post a few days ago so we are at $4,000 for 3/4 acre (not quite)!
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Old 01/10/05, 09:31 AM
 
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brural, if I were you I would be looking for another place to call home. That kind of taxation is rediculous. Sounds like Massachusetts needs a modern version of the "Boston Tea Party" very soon. :haha:

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Old 01/10/05, 09:49 AM
 
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I agree and we are in the planning stages of moving in 2-3 yrs. Hubby recently left a job and started at a new place to see if he will like it there better. If the place is the same, then we will be looking to move within a year. Some of our concerns are health insurance and making a living. In the mean time, I am baking/cooking everything from scratch again, gardening (will increase 2x this year). We are working on paying a few bills and i'm going to start a small business that can eventually be done through mail order to other business. We are also researching states that may interest us to live in.

Mass is the only state that had a drop in population this past year in the nation. Everything is pricey here. I will say though that we have the great hospitals, etc.

feel free to pm me or start a new thread on a topic covering this type of thing.
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Old 01/11/05, 03:09 PM
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[QUOTE=FrankTheTank]115K house in somewhat ghetto neighborhood...good schools...over $3000/year....welcome to wisconsin...

What part of Wisconsin are you in??

We have a $240,000 home on 1/2 acre with great schools and pay just over $3000 a yr. I didn't realize different parts of the state were so high!
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