5 Hunters Murdered

an "assault" rifle is manufactured for the killing of humans in war. An sks is an assualt rifle but it is also a big enough round for legal hunting. 7.62x39 I just use mine for shooting targets, it's a nice gun for the price. A similar situation happened with my friend he shot a deer first, it didn't die on the first shot though and this other guy shot it too. He said it was the killing shot that counts and they started arguing then 3 or 4 of the guys friends walked up and my friend let them have it.

Robert Chambers used the excuse that he was attacked first before choking the life out of Jennifer Levin in Central Park several years ago. He truly felt he was justified and has never shown remorse. Those that are capable of murder often have little or no empathy for other people.

Did anyone else see the press conference held on Sunday by the defendants lawyer. What a spin fest this was. The lawyer said that the case wasn't who did it, but why did he do it. As if there is an acceptable reason for shooting multiple, unarmed people in the back.

The adult daughter of this man also spoke and said she was shocked to hear her father would do such a thing. The lawyer also said the Hmong community was also shocked that a respected man like this would commit such an act. Really, we know he had at least two domestic violence incidents involving guns in recent years.

It is very upsetting to see the finger of blame being pointed towards the victims by the lawyer of this jerk.

this man, has been very violent all of his life, what is the surprise, that he waited this long or what? there is no surprise. you will note that the wife, didn't say a word.

I saw the news conference last night. I sincerely hope that this mess can be taken care of and we understand what motivated this person to do this.

My DH said that he read or heard that this isn't the first time the alleged shooter has been charged with trespassing on private property. And, he was charged (?) with domestic violence but his wife refused to press charges. Perhaps he has anger management problems or maybe he is just plain nuttier than a fruitcake.

Not just that, he stopped to take the hunting scope off the gun *before* "returning" fire. That was after *possibly* getting a warning shot when he dropped to a crouch when he was already slow leaving private property (even on an ATV, you can't make it from base camp to a stand in "seconds"). That means he made a premeditated decision to start up a close range, take no prisoners firefight with a group that was obviously essentially unarmed, including shooting two unarmed folks who even he said were driving *past* him on the way to the site of the initial shooting to try to kill/maim all the witnesses.

Most likely, the only reason he ran away before killing everybody was that he'd run low/out of bullets, a couple of the wounded were probably still fit enough to put up a fight, and there was no telling if anyone else was coming that had sense to take along guns themselves.

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USDA 8b E. TX / SS31

so when i was in New york and some Black guys came up to me and said "What the f**K you want here you white honky M/F er, get going or else we are gonna kill ya" when I walked away and they did too I could have shot them in the back cause they taunted me with racial remarks.?

I'll just bet I woulda got away with that defense. LOL

No, that is incorrect. Classically and correcctly defined, the assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle chambered for a cartridge of intermediate power. The SKS doesn't qualify as it is not, and as far as I can recall, was never fully automatic.

Nearly all weapons descend from a military (hence human killing) weapons and likewise many military weapons descend from originally civilian weapons. Not that it matters either way as hunting has nothing to do with the US constitutional RTKBA provisions. That is specifically designed to protect "human killing" weapons as that is the intended and hopefully never needed purpose of the 2nd amendment to the US constitution.

The modern "assault weapon" issue is one fully manufactured by the media, gun banning scum and wanna be tyrants. A largely firearms ignorant culture combined with modern media and you have a readily made crisis to solve. The tried and true divide and conquer tactic. Truly Goebbel-esq and not surprisingly quite successful. Repeat the lie often enough and the masses will believe it.

This whole thing is horrendous...and kinda close to home.

I have five acres in the "boonies" and it borders State Parks land...and the hunters are going wild right now (deer season ends December 1). They're "hunting out" some of these areas and the deer are so skittish that they don't even come into my yard to eat at oh-dark-hundred any more.

I've ridden through the State Lands on my dirtbike (on forest service roads and logging trails, wearing bright blue, sometimes blaze orange, on a red-and-white bike, hoping that there aren't any colorblind hunters) and see yahoos and honyaks lined up here and there for hunting.

I say "yahoos" and "honyaks" because I believe it to be the acme of irresponsibility to be working on a bottle of JD before going hunting. I assumed (yeah, yeah) it was before since some of them were working on the bottle, then they'd hand it off and load their rifles or put rounds in their pockets (5 round max here). Even if they were done hunting, they were still drinking and driving, but that's a different rant.

...anyway.

I was trained by someone very serious about firearms and handling of them. I'd say a fairly obvious rule of thumb is ya don't get likkered up before ya go shootin'. Particularly when there might be other people 'round. But what do I know?

Hubby went out with "NO HUNTING/TRESPASSING" signs and posted them every 30 feet or so on our property (heavily wooded, at least I don't have to look at the signs!)

He'll go out in a week and see how many have been taken down. I hope none, otherwise he's gonna have a Class A fit.

I have to admit, even coming from suburban People's Socialist Republic of Southern California, that it stuns even me how folks feel they're got a perfect right to tromp around my property, busting branches and small trees that are in their way, stroll through my front yard ("I was just going up on the trail!", well the trail goes through my property, try ASKING), agitate my dog (who is still adjusting to country life), and worst of all, park in my driveway to stare at my house as if it will magically become vacant and they can move in. I think one of these days I might stroll out there with a shotgun. (kidding, kidding)

Maybe they figure that people who live up here must be uneducated and blind and oh-so-friendly and we have no problem sharing our stuff with strangers.

Come to think of it, that's why I left Cali in the first place.

Too many strangers thinkin' they're entitled to my stuff.

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ThreeJane,

Today was opening day of gun season in Ohio and it was pretty crazy over by us. I let a neighbor and his son (plus a friend of theirs) hunt our property. I walked the property with them in the morning. Had to run people off 3 times. Some of the (tyvek) signs I had up were tore down. I'll just put some more up.

It gets my dander up how inconsiderate people are with regard to other peoples property. I guarantee you that if random people with guns started showing up on city folks property those random people would get tossed in jail.

Mike

Many police officers like to hunt.

Police officers that like to hunt would probably like to hunt on your land.

Why not offer it to a few of them?

They then have a reason to keep other hunters off it.

Pete

I just read that four of the six dead were shot in the back! I cannot comprehend that. :no:

I don't think it would matter, what kind of weapon that this man had, the man wanted to murder, and murdeer he did.
This is a good example of what we are letting into our country.This man should have never been alowed into the country. A back ground check should have been done. and he should nothave come into the country,
however he is here, and now we are having to deal with hi. And he will probably get off.
but he killed those hunters, as a coward and a bullie, would kill, in the back. and look at the families that he distroyed, what do you tell their children, and grandchildren, that we let a crazy man into the country, and he shot them in the back? so sad.

This whole affair is pretty sad. 6 people are dead, and several families have been broken up all over hunting deer. Yet, it's interesting how Vang's country of birth has played into this, even though he's an American citizen and former reservist.

For example, what would have a background check told anyone? More than likely it would have said he's a person with no criminal record.

What's also interesting is how the statements from both sides have taken as truth. I have yet seen anyone question why 5 hunters were in the woods hunting deer yet they only had 1 gun. Everyone out here who's walking through the woods to get to their stand, or what have you, has a gun just in case they kick something up. But it was a few hours after the season opened so maybe they had filled their tags?

Perhaps I'm cynical, but an Asian guy being surrounded by 5 good ole boys swearing and cusing at him might result is a very scared person. Unfortunately we'll never know what really happended. Maybe he was shot at, maybe not. Maybe someone 200 yards away took a shot at a deer and he thinks he was being shot it. Maybe he just went nuts. Seems his US military training and his sharp shooter badge he earned is something you don't lose quickly. Now it's time to let the court process work it's way through.

It's sad how many people died for no reason. It's also sad to see how a country of immigrants is so quick to judge other immigrants.

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For example, what would have a background check told anyone? More than likely it would have said he's a person with no criminal record.

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I heard that he had a gun charge 3 yrs. prior : threatening to kill his wife...also checking an unsoved hunter killing from several years back...GrannieD

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He moved to the US in the early 80's and served in the national guard from 89 to 95. I can't find the date which he obtained his citizenship. If it was before 2001, then he would have had a spotless record.

~ I'm in agreement on this one, his actions stand on thier own merits, his country of birth has little to do with his decision to go on this rampage


Several of the people came from base camp when hearing there was a trespasser or to try to help the wounded, specifically those Vang has admitted picking off the ATV they were riding as they drove *past* him heading to the location of the initial shootings. It is quite possible some of them were just there to hang out and were not hunting at all, that others had already taken a deer and were getting ready to haul it in and process it, and a certainty that none of them knew they were about to be in a one-sided firefight.

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Ray Scheel
USDA 8b E. TX / SS31

I'm sure the start of the confrontation could be spun in opposite directions. But the killing of the others was to cover his tracks and get away from there. I'm sure to run down and shoot people in the back would be to leave few witnesses. Cold blooded murders! For that he should get death.

Maybe the first shot could be manslaughter, but not the rest

He'll get life in prison. There's no death penalty in Wisconsin.

Though this is my first post I've been reading here for a while.

I was hoping to be able to clarify some of the bad and misinformation being posted here about the recent Wisconsin shootings. I live RIGHT here. And I'm not sure where some of you are getting your information but most of it doesn't coincide with the very well documented info that us locals are getting.

First let me say "Thank you!" to all of you who have expressed your sympathy to all the friends and family members. They are truly the victims in this situation. I am not personally related to any of the victims, but Many of my friends and relatives were related or close friends with one or more of the victims. It has been hard.

I simply can't address everything I found wrong on here (well, I guess I could- but I won't). Nor do I claim to be an expert on what happened - for I wasn't there. But I would like to be able to answer any questions any of you might have. And if I don't know the answer, I will surely tell you that. I am only trying to be helpful. I hope that I can be.

Incidentally, although we live in Wisconsin right now, we have sold our house and will be moving to Missouri (west of Springfield) by the end of this month -with the dream and plan of homesteading in the future. We will have to rent for a while until we can find our "perfect spot". So, you'll be hearing more from me in the future. And be prepared! I'm sure that we'll have lots of questions!

Thanks, Holly