COST...of Metal Building...!!!

BobBoyce · #21 11/22/04, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by seraphima

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There is nowhere to hide from the world economy...

If you have trees and a sawmill you can at least cut a lot of your building materials yourself. That's what a neighbor of mine is doing for materials to build a barn.

Bob

fordy · #22 11/22/04, 07:20 PM

.................As expensive as basic building materials are becoming , the person wanting to construct a livable domicile within a limited budget is going to have to be their own general contractor and laborer all wraped up into one . If , metal keeps increasing in cost wood , harvested from an owners land will see much greater acceptance as the basic building material .
.................Most of the small saw mills that I have viewed over the internet are going to run from 5 to 10 thousand if purchased new . It , would seem beneficial , for several families\individuals to share the cost of a single sawmill and then assist each other in the individual construction of their respective homes and outbuildings . Personally , I'm planning on building a small , solar powered home and shop with a covered parking area for vehicles . I , will also be working with a limited budget and will ultimately try to form an interested group of folks who can all assist each other in the work . My Crystal Ball has shown me quite clearly that the only finanically feasible way to achieve my construction goals is going to be thru a concerted , collective workforce with members helping each other to bring each structure to closure . I'm going to have to wear my Acme Swami Turbin with the "Superior Discerner" activated so as to know Everything about anything that I choose to Pontificate upon . ...fordy...

Bob_W_in_NM · #23 11/23/04, 12:07 PM

You may be on to something, Fordy. I see people living in quarter million dollar houses around here (out in the country too) and driving 40,000.00 vehicles.
Maybe they came to NM from CA with equity in hand or maybe they've got a good job(s) and can make payments on their "stuff". There's not to many high paying jobs around here though. For me, and lots of people I know, living in a "fine" house and driving a "fine" automobile or truck are just so completely out of the realm of future possibilities that it's silly to even dream about such things.

People may have to resort to the "community" approach to construction more and more. Maybe resort to a lot of use of "recycled" building materials.
Of course, we have so many governmental regulations nowadays that they often preclude the application of "alternative" construction methods.

I've wanted to build a small, well constructed house on my land for years. Nothing big or fancy, just a comfortable dwelling for one guy and a couple of dogs. This old, drafty 1973 mobile home is looking better and better! I hate to put too much money in it though, because the value will never appreciate.

fordy · #24 11/23/04, 01:17 PM

..................Well , Bob, I've got 2 trucks. One is a 99 PSD , f250 ford , 4x4 that is my Sunday go to Meetin'(mostly to Wal Mart) truck , Funeral truck , Wedding(other people's) Truck , Check my mail truck , etc . It's got 82,500 and just now getting broken in. My other truck is a 77 f250 , 4x4 , that is just about 3/4 rebuilt . It gets a whopping 8mpg , but It is fun to drive and it's got dual exhaust and a 4 speed . If , I end up as far out in the country as i think I will I'll need to have a backup vehicle in case my diesel won't start . It will also be very handy for hauling wood , building materials and to drive in case I have to leave my diesel at the garage to be worked upon .
...............I just sent a bill of Particulars to 2 realestate agencies in Wy. outlining my preferences in terms of what I'm looking for in a small parcel of land and what few amentities That I will require. I , want to Live where most other Folks don't , i.e.....cold and dry and relatively high . I've lived a relatively mundane existenance in Texas and so now I decided to move to that part of the country that still has an air of the "Frontier" . Hopefully , it will be awhile yet before too many people decide , as i have , and it gets to crowded , just like it is in Texas ,,,Now , fordy...

Quint · #25 11/23/04, 09:11 PM

When I was building my house last year I took a massive hit on the cost of plywood. Ouch.

The scrap price of steel has sure gone up but around here the scrap dealers aren't paying what they should. There are just a few people who own the scrap yards and they aren't paying a fair scrap price. Suckers are still bringing it in but are getting hosed big time. The scrap yards are making out like bandits however. Heck I have scrap metal on my property I would PAY to have hauled off.

BobBoyce · #26 11/23/04, 11:19 PM

fordy, chainsaw sawmills may not make the prettiest cuts, but they can be bought or built rather inexpensively. They can produce usable rough cut dimensional lumber for a fraction of the price of the more expensive, but much more refined mills.

Bob

FrankTheTank · #27 11/25/04, 10:42 PM

Just thought I would add this story...

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Nissan steel shortage forces plant shutdowns
By David Ibison and Mariko Sanchanta in Tokyo
Published: November 25 2004 05:36 | Last updated: November 25 2004 18:17

Nissan Motor, the Japanese carmaker, has been forced to stop production at three of its four car assembly plants in Japan for five working days after running out of steel, in a dramatic illustration of the shortages that have started affecting companies across Asia.

Japan's second largest carmaker said the suspension would reduce production by 25,000 units, or 1.7 per cent of forecast annual domestic production of 1.43m units. "We will make it up early next year and there will be no financial impact," said a spokesman for the company.

The situation highlights how Asian steel suppliers are struggling to meet demand in spite of running at full capacity to satisfy surging orders from booming Japanese exporters, China and South Korea.

The tight supplies have led to sharp price increases, bumping up companies' costs and eating into profit margins. Cold-rolled steel sheet prices have risen 23 per cent in Japan in the year to October, according to UBS.

Japan's other major car manufacturers - Toyota Motor, Honda Motor, Mitsubishi Motors and Mazda Motor - said they had enough steel and would not be suspending production even though supplies are expected to come under further pressure in the next few months.

Toyota said it had introduced special measures to try to reduce its steel consumption and that "at this point there was no need to cut back production".

Nissan said it had decided to stop production for five days from November 29 after orders for new vehicles outpaced sales forecasts.

The company said it had estimated sales for its Fuga saloon at 2,000 units per month and for the Murano sports utility vehicle at 1,000 per month, but had received orders for double those numbers.

Nissan gets around 90 per cent of its steel from Nippon Steel and JFE, two Japanese companies, both of which were unable to offer any additional supply.

"Japanese steelmakers have been forced to reject extra steel supply requests from carmakers," said Makiko Yoshimura, steel analyst at Standard & Poor's. It is understood Nissan has started emergency talks with South Korea's Pohang Iron & Steel (Posco) and other steel suppliers to try to make up the shortfall.

Analysts argued Nissan deserved part of the blame for its steel shortages because, as part of an aggressive cost-cutting drive, it had reduced the number of steel suppliers it dealt with in Japan from five to two.

Kurt Sanger, analyst at Macquarie, said: "Part of restricting supply to two major suppliers is that in emergencies it does not work very well. But can you blame a company for managing itself more efficiently 90 per cent of the time and getting it wrong 10 per cent of the time?"

no wonder the price is up!