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Old 10/14/04, 06:51 AM
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Megan, a lot of people here are like myself. We worked hard for our land. Many scrimped and saved to pay cash or stretched financially and took on a mortgage. To have someone casually post that they are trying to figure out how to steal someone elses property is bound to upset people. DW and I are looking at putting our farm into an LLC.

So when I think about what you posted and consider my own situation I feel that you are basically saying you would try to steal our farm if you had the opportunity. After all, it would just be a corporation.... and we aren't on it all the time because we have to work to pay for it.

As mightybooboo pointed out, you should consider achieving your goals through positive methods.

Mike
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Old 10/14/04, 10:07 AM
 
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Originally Posted by madmarchie

I apologize all this has happened as it was really exciting to find folks who were interested in the same things as myself.

- Megan

Booboo said how I feel better than I can - tried to say that in my first message. There is nothing wrong with you being here & contributing to this site.

IMHO you had one really bad idea. That doesn't mean I don't want you around here. I wonder how many bad ideas I've had in the past year????? :no:

Hope you don't get mad, hope you don't leave. Hope we all can learn. Together.

--->Paul
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Old 10/14/04, 01:35 PM
 
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Megan,

You "floated" your idea here. Others are free to post their responses. There's no clicque involved. Just so happens that few here will "validate" your idea in this posting. You shouldn't be mad or upset because people don't agree with you. Maybe you ought to reflect and consider that there is something in what the majority are saying.

This land you are talking about belongs to "somebody", in this case a corporation that has title. I'm of the opinion (as a long time property rights advocate), that the "owner" has the right to decide what to do with his (or it's)
property.

I know lots of people that own something that they probably "don't deserve", but it's not up to me to attempt to divest them of their property.

If I were you, I'd not put any more into the dwelling in which you are living and look for another place.

People here are glad to give you their opinions and they are worth at least what they cost, sometimes more.
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Old 10/14/04, 02:45 PM
 
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Megan, I agree with Terri. You have $9000.00! Do something with it. When DH and I were looking for property, we couldn't afford the down payment for anything because we didn't have anything saved up. Our credit was no good. But we decided to make our petition for land be made known to God. And He showed us the perfect place. 32 acres, only $1000 an acre and owner financing. We only had to pay $500 down and only $300 a month. The reason the cost was so low is because it is near bottom land and it is in a very small community. But that bottom land will become a lake within the next two years and cause our property value to go up.

If you really want land, scour the papers until something you can afford comes up. If you want to have the land that you are squatting on become a historical park, then negotiate with the corporation that owns it.
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Old 10/14/04, 02:50 PM
 
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My two cents worth...

#1 - definition of steal (according to Webster's) 1. to take (another's property,
etc.) dishonestly, especially in a secret manner.
- definition of a thief (again, according to Webster's) a person who steals;
especially secretly.

I'd say that pretty much wraps up the question of whether what you are doing is stealing. You are scheming to take something that - by your own admission - does not belong to you, but to someone else. You even plan to do it secretly because if the corporation who owns the land finds out before enough time passes for you to use the right of adverse possesion against them, you will be out on the street.

#2 - You are not even a "squatter" because the dictionary defines squatter very explicitly as "one who settles on public land under government regulations so as to get title to it". This is not public land, but private; and you are not using government regulations to get title to public land. You are hoping to steal (by definition) land from its legitimate owner using antiquated laws that depend on the true owner simply not noticing you for an extended period of time.

#3 - You hope to gain sympathy by crying about how unfair it is that this big corporation owns the land and you don't. If it works, write a book. There are a lot of us "little people" out here who would love to take over some really nice properties that happen to be owned by big corporations. We don't think it is fair either.

#4 - All the above comments are meant to be reality checks. Continue to #5.

#5 - Many of us here would love to see the big corporations - especially developers of pristine land with old growth forests - brought down a peg or two, so we can sympathize with that desire. However, trying to do it through illegal and unethical scheming only makes you one of them. Try to find an honest way to save this place. There are many reasons why local, state, or even federal groups would be interested in buying this parcel to save it. Historic groups, environmental groups (like the Nature Conservancy) or even area residents who might like to turn it into a park, are all good possibilities. Go to them and see if you can set up some sort of fund to buy the place, or get one of the major groups to buy it outright or lobby to protect it under the current ownership. There are a lot of ways to save a place without trying to steal it!

#6 - You have more money in the bank than most people in search of a quiet homesteading life have to start with. What are you waiting for? Look at real estate in more inaccessible areas (most people want to be close to power lines and city water or "on blacktop". Go to the hills and woods - places that advertise "off the beaten track" or "need 4-wheel drive". Those are always cheaper - and for a lover of the natural world, so much more appealing anyway! There are a lot of places you can buy outright for that kind of money, and even if you have to go the down payment route, it will get you far enough toward having it paid that you may be able to work out small monthlys or get some owner financing.
Also: If you are willing to live somewhere other than Texas, I know of a lot of places where $9,000 would buy a very nice chunk of land. You can always live in a tent while you build a small cabin. (I know - that's what we did.)

#7 - You are making excuses because you want something NOW instead of later, and deep down inside, you have to know that. Stop complaining. Get up and do something about your situation. You are in a far better place than most of the rest of the world. (I have personally seen people who lived in cardboard boxes and drank their water from the effluent running along street curbs!) You have some money; you have vision; and you want good things for yourself and others. Use what you have and get out there and make yourself a life. Don't try to steal it, because in the long run you will be taking it from yourself. Good Luck!
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Old 10/14/04, 02:54 PM
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adverse possession, isn't that why the Branch Davidians didn't come out of there Mt. Carmel center, because 20 more days and the land would become theirs free and clear? A Judge Ruled that they would have to ocuppy the land for 5 years and it would be theirs, and they lost their land due to a fire....
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Old 10/14/04, 02:59 PM
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Thou Shalt not Steal, so I DON'T still, it IS a Sin, and any sin will dam your soul. But we have Jesus that can forgive our sins if you ask, only if you truely belive in the one true living son of god. Christ came to save the World from their sins.
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Old 10/28/04, 03:45 PM
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