Neice attacked by pitt bull.

You go Ozarkin'it !!! Well said!

Ozarkin'it - is the English Bull Terrier the same breed?

Ozarkinit that was a excellent post! A friend of mine owns a unneutered pit bull from lines that have been in his family for forty years, this dog has grown up with his five girls and is a perfect gentleman. I wouldnt own a unfixed pit but they are a great breed if raised and trained well. Our gracie now deceased was wonderfull and went to convalecent homes.And our dog willie who my daughter removed from a abusive home as a pup is a good dog to, but he I watch more as he is more pushy. But at night its good to know he is on watch, he can hear a pin drop while annie the border collie sleeps through it. He has some hound in him[ maybe rodisian ridgeback]and he loves attention.

Oh Sandra I am so sorry, I saw this post but breezed by it because I have been busy and not posting a lot, I disn't realize it was from you :waa: I hope your neice is fine. Thank God for her Dog, I am glad the neighbor called himself and it didn't become a huge battle. I will remember her in my prayers.

Jennifer

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That's certainly alot of information---but still the fact remains that a number of cities have banned such dogs from their city limits. Sooooo----why waste time on long "facts" when it's plain as the nose on your face that when a city bans a certain breed of dog just maybe--------you might be "barking up the wrong tree"??

Just look at some of the other stupid laws some citys have.I guess there always right,and they no whats best for us.Huh! :no:

Hey i got an idea why dont we just ban the irresponsible owners.And keep the dogs.

Sue, The American Bulldog is a completely different breed than either the "Pitt Bull Terrier" or "The American Staffordshire Terrier" which many confuse with the Pitt Bull. They are very similar. I may be wrong here considering my pitiful memory but wasn't "Petey" a registered Staff?

At any rate the American Bulldog is a breed of long standing and has been bred in America for a long, long time. Some think they are the decendants of the original British Bulldog, but kept more like it once was, and others think it started out as a cross between the original Bulldog and English Bull Terrier both of which are well documented as coming to the Colonies very early on.

Whatever their ancestry, they are wonderful dogs. Not for everyone..you have to be a strong, intelligent leader with them. But this is true of many breeds. This is a good site on the breed.

http://www.bulldoginformation.com/am...scription.html

IT was fun watching one of these dogs in the remake of "The Incredible Journey", even though the film was silly, the animals were great!

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The problem isn't any particular breed, it's the owners. Pit bulls have been demonized by the media and as such are the dog of choice for drug dealers and general maladjusted types. 20 years ago it was Rottweilers, in the 1960's it was Doberman's, in the 1940's it was German Shepherd Dogs, and at the turn of the last century it was British bulldogs.

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I am impressed by the replies I am reading here. A good spread on the pros and cons. The Pitt gets a lot of bad mouthing because "OF HIS MOUTH". The Pitt bite is a locking bite.

Any dog can be bad and any breed can be mean.

The Pitt is VERY intelligent and people can teach them to do bad things.

The BADDEST DAY I ever had was the day I had to put my PITT down. At 13 she got cancer in her shoulder. She was the greatest dog in the world and I trusted her with my life. But there are bad dogs out there.

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The american bulldog, and the Bull terrier are completley different breeds than the pitbull. The pitbull and the American staffordshire terrier ARE the same breed. All Amstaff bloodlines go back to the pitbull. yes petey was a registered amstaff HOWEVER ---

In 1936, after many years of refusing to accept the pitbull into the registry, the AKC agreed to accept pitbulls under the alias Staffordshire Terrier (American was added later). Petey, a UKC registered APBT, was the first pit to be officially registered as an AMstaff. Reason being, the AKC wanted nothing to do with the word pit.

(The same reason why if you read breed standards, the AKC denies the fighting origin of akitas, and sharpeis)

Anyway, the AKC opened its stud books for a number of years, accepting any pits who were already registered with another registry (UKC or ADBA). At some point early on, they changed the breed standard to mold the working pitbull into a 'look at' breed (typical of the AKC). The ADBA (main pit registry) keeps the conformation standard of the working pitbull. The UKC eventually accepted registration of the pitbull as an amstaff to signify 2 different breeds, because as a result of the AKC changing the breed standard, the amstaff line now looks and acts quite differently. The determination and drive that makes pitbulls what they are have been bred out of the amstaffs.
Point being --prior to 1936, pitbulls and amstaffs were one breed

secondly, there is no such thing as locking jaws. as one who has done it, examine the skull of a pit bull next to the skull of any other breed of dog, and you will see that the meconism? that controls the movement of the jaw is exactly the same. Examine the muscle structures, and you will find the only differnece is the size (bulk) and the depth of tendon placement. Ask any vet that is knowledgble about the breed and they will tell you there is no difference is functionability and no way nor such thing as pounds of biting pressure. All that spawns from urban myth and here say by people that know nothing about the breed except that it looks tough, can stand up to lots of abuse, and will fight when put to it.

Pitbulls are extremelly tolerant and versitile. They will be anything you ask of them.

Cities that ban this breed usually base it on a handfull of isolated incedents, and dont look at the dog bite problem as a whole. More mutts bite people than anything else. As a matter of fact, last year in new Jersey, a brindle colored pitbull attacked and hurt someone real bad. So you know what the city did? They decided that all brindle colored dogs were dangerous regerdless of breed. (Boxers, tosas, chows, bulldogs, pits, great danes, catahula leopards dogs, boston terriers, chihuahuas, mastiffs, etc.)
Fortunatly the pitbull club in that area is a strong one. Plus representatives from the ADBA, the Endangered breed association, and the AKC stepped in and squelched it.
I dont think that thats a city government with a scrap of knowledge or reasoning to make decisions about whats best for the people.

People that do nothing because they're afraid, and people that spout at the mouth when they dont know what they are talking about do nothing but fuel the fire. The only thing that will stop these breed bans is when masses of people step up, like they did in new jersey.
San fransisco sets an excellent example of laws and pound rules concerning this breed. Anyone interested in more info on alternative possibilities should look up the San Fran. SPCA for ideas.

I'm very glad this story had a happy ending. I hope the neighbor doesn't just get another pit and do the same thing.
Now let's look at this another way. I don't know how small or large the girl walking the Rottweiler was but what if someone was walking their Chiuhua. Could that girl have kept the rottweiler from doing the same thing?


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The neighbor paid the hospital bill, paid for my neice's tennis shoes, apologized 10 times over and even bought my neice a little present. He has 2 pitbulls, the one that did the biting was an un-neutrered 2 yr. old male that he has had for a year. It was given to him by a friend. Someone else had given it to the friend first, but he was renting and the landlord wouldn't allow pitbulls. The dog pit the man directly next door to the nieghbor the week before it attacked my neice. He said not knowing the dogs history and it attacking twice, he felt it was unstable and had it destroyed. My only problem is that he lets the dogs out unleashed and and unfenced to potty. If you don't have a fence, you have to walk your dog on leash to potty. Otherwise, buy a fence. I don't like pitbulls per se because of the way people raise them. Before the pitbull craze, people had Rotties that were agressive. Anthony has never been aggressive. He's a big sweet teddybear. When I was a child, German Shepherds were the bad dogs of the day. We had a Shepherd who would lay down her life for us. But I also had a Shepherd that I had to give away last fall because she was aggressive. I raised her from a puppy and I didn't raise her to be aggressive, but she was. She bit 2 neihgbors, but they were on my property and she was contained so I wasn't at fault. She also killed several chickens, attempted to kill one my goats and opened my poodles pen door to attack them. The only reason she was unsuccessful was because the poodles ran under the house and horse trailer and she was too big to fit. I think good dogs are a result of nurture and nature. SOme dogs, with the best raising are just bad (like some children). Some dogs come from horrible conditions and turn out great (like some children). But the best way to protect yourself, your neighbors and your pet, is to contain and restrain them. The neighbor is getting fined when he goes to court. The policeman said the ticket for the bite is 1500.00 and for no leash 300.00. My sister is suing. The guy did the right thing.

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Why is your sister suing? Sounds like the guy is trying to make things right.

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Right thing??? Not on your life. Letting such beast run around uncontrolled is right? Now he makes a few nice jestures to try to save his behind. OH-----why would the land lord not allow such dogs as mentioned in above post. Maybe you all just have not "educated" him as to what nice little puppies pit bulls are. I'm sure he just "does not understand".
Take the guy to court.

All dogs should be kept quiet and contained at all times. However as most people know, 80% of dog owners wont do this. If people want a dog they should keep it in their house or on a leash in their hand. They should keep it quiet, beause noone wants to hear barking dogs. It just boggles my mind that someone would let their dog bark in their back yard for hours at a time. Personally i would like to require outdoor dog owners to get a license for their dog, and only make it renewable if their neighbors signed their dog was no problem to them. Otherwise keep them in or on a leash. Maybe mandatory $100 fines for a barking dog would help too.

As for dog bites, I believe the OWNER of a dog that bites a person should be charged criminally just as if HE THE OWNER bit the victim.

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I made a typo. My sister is not suing. The guy had the dog put down, paid the expenses in regards to the bite and is putting in a fence. He says if he gets another dog, it will be a puppy that he raises himself, but he is not planning to do that anytime soon.

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I agree with Banning Pit Bulls, Pit Bulls are not like GUNS, Guns cannot fire on their own! and we ban them by the dozen and throw out the 2nd amendment all the time!
If these Big Cities can Ban Guns(pistols), then they can ban a Pit Bull, since it can attack on it's own?

My point it can and IS being done(for a good reason) they wouldn't be BANNING Pits for no reason, obviously sombody got mauled in the area.

So you support Banning Assault Rifles because the "PEOPLE" are not responsible enough to own them.

So it just makes since to BAN Pit Bulls from us "irresponsible" citizens.

Or yeah, maybe we should License every Pit Bull owner, and you'll need Fingerprinted and a photo ID, with all your personal information on it, and everytime you want another Pit Bull, you'll have a 3 day waiting period to make sure that you have not broke the law.

...and if there is a Pit bull bite in the area, you will have to give up your dog, in the name of saftey to the public, sounds good?

Banning anything, guns, dogs, drugs, ect, doesn't work. Only the owners who were responsible in the first place get screwed. The items that get banned will still be used by the ones who break the laws in the first place.

When will it stop? They ban one breed then they realize Labs attack more people so they start the ban on that breed. Once they're gone it's another "dangerous" breed to get rid of. Once it's all said and done the law abiding citizins will be left to pick from the lap dogs. Sorry, but lap dogs can't protect my chickens from predators or my children from the idiot that tries to break in.

And for the record, pit bull is a term now used by the media to describe ANY breed with a short hair coat to sell papers. Only a fool would believe everything they read written by reporters. The better the story, the more papers they sell, the more money they bring in.

But feel free to think APBTs are the devil spawn when I'm sure most on this forum have yet to actually one that is well bred. However, when the gov'ment comes after the breed of dog you own next don't come on here crying about it.