"Welcome to The Patriot Act"

so you think we should have killed the cuban boy?

I'm breaking a rule of mine....never argue with a ghost....

"now don't for a minute think i am a commie lover but i am forward thinking enough to understand one concept even comies love their kids may be a shocker but i do think love of our children is universal in all people even our enemies."

there's an old saying "no man knowingly does evil"

I guess Love is Relative.....Western love, Eastern love, Christian love, Islam love

I'm sure the Islamist think's he's doing good, when he practices ritual mutilation on his daughters, so that when they get married, they sometimes must undergo surgery just so that sex is physically possible. Or the cliterectomy induced on their female children. And this is done by the regular islamists. Won't even touch the evils (from a Western civilized view) that are foisted upon children by the radical islamists. Of course, the Islamist father, treats his children lovingly, in his mind's eye...why should he treat them otherwise? Once the females are married off, they are treated like slaves in the male's household.

If you have/had children, would you want them treated to an Islamic upbringing?

Sorry, unregistered, my dander got up for a second.

BTW, I don't hate Commies, Islamists, Progressives, oh and let's not forget Maoists (think Kathmandu siege...), I feel sorry for them...they long for systems that don't work well with freedom...

Think about it.

"i do think love of our children is universal in all people"

ABORTION

Just incase you still dont understand my point, im saying :
"Love of our own children is NOT universal, not even universal in america, where it is seen as a right to kill one own unwanted child"


What we could have done is give the boy citizenship, ordered he not return to cuba until 18, issue his father a greencard until that time, then we could see if the father loved his son.

I am not a ghost any more than any of the rest of you just selecting a handle does not give one an identity we are all just in cyberspace here. As to the issues brought up i think many societies practice their own forms of sexual mutilation for all i know some arab is on his forum saying the same about our practice of hacking foreskins off the boys. as to the cuban kid our own laws dictate that we return children to their next of kin when a parent dies and one remains we believe the child should be under the care of that remaining parent we have no history of dictating the remaining parent must reside in any specific country practice any specific religion or be of any political belief. If we become an opressive totalitarian regime what have we accomplished? all we have done is become what we hate. Sorry i can not agree with the idea we should be abducting the children of our enemies. I happen to be a father myself and if my wife died swiming to cuba i would want my son returned to me without forcing me to live in cuba. i would do it but it would be a horid thing to force on a person. The man did come and get the lad and as a father i respect that. do you have children?

Was Elian Gonzalas abducted? if I remember right his mother died while they were trying to get to FREEDOM.

Yeah, don't Forget Waco.

"the United Corpartations of America"

NO, the goverment WORKS FOR US, as RUSH LIMBAUGH has stated, we need to get Rid of the Liberal Judges in our Law system. Liberalizm has come to power thru the COURTS.

Not to worry - the original Web link had the PA all wrong. See Myths about the Patriot Act.

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Mark in West Central Ohio

The govenment has not worked for us for years it works for the lobbyists who give the proper graft. As long as you put your faith and trust in junkies you will probably never see any clearer than they can through their drug induced haze. Most of them will gladly sell their mothers soul for a fix.

Myths. Yeah... ya don't get out much, do ya Mark? Seen all those myriad of protective acts we now have to go through just to go to the da*m doctor? Or on an airplane? Or walk into the Social Security Office? You just go on and be comfortable with our freedoms being hacked away by the Patriot Act. And how 'bout that nice little cage they had for the protesters at the DNC? Just more 'security', we don't Really need Free Speech!!!! Myths. Yeah...

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"TIMSHEL"
Spoiler ALERT: For those of you who've never read Steinbeck's "East of Eden".... timshel means "thou mayest".

No, actually, I work from home and try to minimize trips out.
I sure did! I had to park between the lines on the parking lot and go in the front door!
That's on public flights, right? If you own or charter a private flight, you skip all the TSA checkpoints and, fingernail clippers in hand, stroll right onboard.
The closest I have come to that is when I reported for jury duty; there was a sixty-something-year-old security guard in the foyer. I felt violated.
I haven't had any rights or freedoms hacked. I wake up, I think freely, pray freely, vote freely, split wood freely, freely eat dinner (chicken tonight!) and turn in, a free man, to bed (which was not free). My limits and bounds are now as they were five years ago.
You do realize the DNC is not government and therefore not bound to the First Amendment? If you hold a picnic at your place and you don't want that icky John Ashcroft there, you're (here's that word again) free to not invite him. And, I disagree with your position that we don't need free speech; I believe in and exercise that daily.
Um, yes. I have a flock; you should get one soon.

Cheers,

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Mark in West Central Ohio

So what do you think about Campaing Finance Reform where the parties can't run Ads like 30 days before a election, but these "swift boat verterns" can.

I am very dissapointed on how the Supreme court handled the reform bill, it CLEARLY against the first admendment.

....time to IMPEACH the supreme court justices!

You have the same right of free speech as before; what has changed in part is your ability to be heard by the masses (which has never been a right). If you call a radio station and demand to be heard, they can hang up just like before; and also just like before you can still publish your thoughts anytime on the Internet.

Corporations such as the Parties have no protected speech like an individual; that is how cigarette ads were banned.

The media have no such restrictions so long as their speech is <ahem> journalism and not advocacy advertisments; you can buy a radio station or form a newspaper and conduct 'interviews' ("Today we're discussing why candidate X is such a jerk compared to the valiant candidate Y"). Even then a radio station or newspaper has no right to a audience.

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Mark in West Central Ohio

[QUOTE=Unregistered]Most of you are living in the past. Privacy is dead. It truely doesnt exist anymore. Adjust. And there is no defense for terrorism, in this day, there is no defense for smallpox, anthrax, or the really scarry stuff they dont even talk about.

Ed: God, when I read crap like this I wish I could strangle you. I wish, but I wouldn't cause your just as entitled to your opinion as I as an american citizen. I suspect that is the difference between us is, I would die defending your right to disagree with me and you would watch me die and do nothing. Your comment on no defense for terrorism is ignorant and ignores the obvious. There is a painfully simple way to STOP terrorism. 1. Develop freedom from our slavery to oil which probably could have been done with the amount of money Iraq has/will cost us. 2. Withdraw from the middle east and any other country we are in and let them clean up their own messes. 3. Stop supporting Isreal, I don't feel guilty about the Holocaust because I had nothing to do with it. Also, if we withdraw from the middle east we don't need to support Isreal because we have no further interest there. 4. Declare for the whole world to hear that if we are attacked in any way shape or form we will lay waste to the attackers and the area they occupy. I don't care if some people in those areas had anything to do with it or not. It is there responsibility to clean up their own backyard and if they can't we will do it for them.
There, problem solved. As to our privacy and giving up our rights, do you even think our leaders give a s++t abous us. Apathetic people like you keep electing, if you even vote, rich people to run our country. Rich people tend to be concerned about rich people not common people. I voice my opinion to our political leaders constantly and am usually ignored. What we all need to do is vote libertarian. I am so sick of hearing people say: well I'd like to vote for someone other than Bush or Kerry, but they would lose". Of course they will lose if these idiots don't vote for them. Christ, I'd better stop now.

Ed

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"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson

ed i like your ideas but i would like to also see us close the open door policy. when our ranks are completely filled with the enemy how will we even be able to fight it. I went to the city and didn't even shop cause the store was filled with rag heads, just doesn't seem right. How much is cheap labor worth?

Nice statement.

So you willing to let Israel get exterminated (which it would), because you dont feel liable for the holocost, you idiot, people like YOU allowed the holocost to occur.

Its quite clear you are insane, and that is why noone will listen to you when you call up your representatives.

I can hear it now :
"Mr Representative, i know your corrupt , but what we need to do is let Israel fall, and tell everyone we'll nuke them if they bother us" .....


Personally im beginning to think there should be a IQ test required for voting, something like put the round peg in the round hole. That would weed out most of your comrades.


Oh now to really stir you up, get this :

Some people actually believe in their government. Some people trust the president. Believe it or not the presidents approval rating is above 50%. That means your in the minority, where you belong. I cant believe what happened to this country, after seeing such unity and care for each other after 9/11, to have asses like michael more and you try to pit everyone against each other.

Bush is no Reagan. I pray we will get another soon.

actually the GOP went down the tubes with reagon and has never been back they are now the big spenders if you are looking for fiscal conservatives nowdays you gotta go with the dems. Are you proud of the fact so many USA have been fooled or do you think it is even true.

lets review 19 out of 20 terrorists were saudi so boy george licks the saudis boots and cusses the french? think maybe that is gonna solve that problem?

Are most of you like me, and just breeze thru the 'unregistered' crap, or those with profiles as empty as their minds?

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No lotus land ever cast its spell upon a man's heart more than Wyoming had enchanted mine.-The Virginian-Owen Wister-

The GOP needs another truely likeable republican. Bush is Bush, and is a better choice than any other running. Fact is, I would vote for whoever was the on the republican ticket. People who vote split ticket, obviously dont know how politics work. It aint about the man. Its about the ideas. Such as Abortion, Gun Control, Taxes, Property Rights, etc.

Vote for liberal republicans, not conservative democrats.

BTW i remember about a month when the press and cohorts dumped on bushes service, everyone said it was fair then ... now they all cry foul. Yup , smells foul !

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Start the day off right .

Huh??? vote for Liberal Republicans, umm we got one in the White house right now....

Expanded the Federal goverment with "homeland security"
Appoved Campaing finance reform
funded Stem cell research

George W. Bush is not a conservative.
he rung up the NATIONAL DEBT to record highs.

...and like his dad "No more taxes" he'll probably raise Taxes in his next term(the only people voting for Kerry are the "bussed in democrats" and the Bush haters)

Dear unregistered coward:

"So you willing to let Israel get exterminated (which it would), because you dont feel liable for the holocost, you idiot, people like YOU allowed the holocost to occur."

I was not even around when the Holocaust occurred. When did it become our job to defend the world? It's Isreal's job to defend themselves. We have defended and helped out so many countries that have spit in our faces as thanks that I'm done with it. If we knew what amount of our money and lives went to meddle in the business of other countries it would knock us all to our knees.

"Its quite clear you are insane, and that is why noone will listen to you when you call up your representatives."

If I'm insane I'm okay with it. At least I'm in good company: Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, Ben Franklin etc etc. I beleive in the constitution. I believe that the federal government is responsible for 2 things and 2 things only: national, not international, defense and foriegn affairs. Everything else is social engineering, everything else should be handled by the states.

"I can hear it now :
"Mr Representative, i know your corrupt , but what we need to do is let Israel fall, and tell everyone we'll nuke them if they bother us" ....."

I never said to nuke anyone, I said to lay waste. Now your colors are showing through.

"Personally im beginning to think there should be a IQ test required for voting, something like put the round peg in the round hole. That would weed out most of your comrades."

Better hope it doesn't include spelling "comrade" or you will be excluded.

"Oh now to really stir you up, get this :
Some people actually believe in their government. Some people trust the president. Believe it or not the presidents approval rating is above 50%. That means your in the minority, where you belong. I cant believe what happened to this country, after seeing such unity and care for each other after 9/11, to have asses like michael more and you try to pit everyone against each other."

I don't believe in large masses of people like our government that lumber along and promote their own best interests: more government at my expense.I don't beleive it's government's job to do social engineering. I believe social programs like welfare and ADC make people dependant not independant. I believe government at all levels needs to stay as far out of my life as possible. I don't meddle in the president's, the governors or the mayors life, so stay out of mine. When you take my money from my family and give it another family you are restricting my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. When you charge me taxes on my land, for service's I don't want or use, so I never really own it, you do the same. When you send young men to die in Iraq and use my dollars so your buddies in the oil industry and Haliburton benefit you are restricting everyones life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

"Bush is no Reagan. I pray we will get another soon."

Yeah, Reagan the now deified, was great. So great and larger than life that we are still paying off the debt he created and Bush is out-doing him. When will you get the fact that the government treats our money like play money and spends money they don't have. Their is a simple word for what happens to people who do that in the real word: BANKRUPTCY!!!

Respectfully,
Your fellow American,
Ed

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"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson