My advise to people under thirty.

DEKE01 · #**261** 03/04/15, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stanb999

So many seem to fail to grasp the the worker may be better off telling the potential employer to bug off.

no, we all get that. It has been repeatedly said that it would be understandable if the worker did not take the job. The only expectation is that if the worker agrees to take the job that he show up and do the job. Why is that so hard to grasp?

I am amazed that people such as yourself demand that the employers provide great jobs, good pay, interesting work in growing industries, honesty about the working conditions and benefits, but make nothing but excuses for the employee who lied - TWICE.

stanb999 · #**262** 03/04/15, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DEKE01

no, we all get that. It has been repeatedly said that it would be understandable if the worker did not take the job. The only expectation is that if the worker agrees to take the job that he show up and do the job. Why is that so hard to grasp?

I am amazed that people such as yourself demand that the employers provide great jobs, good pay, interesting work in growing industries, honesty about the working conditions and benefits, but make nothing but excuses for the employee who lied - TWICE.

I never made any excuse for the worker. I said "He is paying for floor sweepings and is surprised he is getting weed seed."

I said his advise to <30 year olds is useless.

stanb999 · #**263** 03/04/15, 12:35 PM

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And 78.3% of all internet statistics are made up.

Your made up China stat is wrong. I'm in an area where there are a lot of backyard mills, one or two man operations. Some of them do custom work, like if I cut down a cherry I can haul it there to be milled. Others do mass work with Southern Yellow Pine (it actually 7 different species IIRC) and oak. The mass work guys sell at the monthly farm auction. There is almost always fresh milled lumber for sale and it goes at a discount to Lowes and Home Depot. I assume someone is making a profit or it would stop.

There are millions of acres of pine in the south; I have a tree farm in Long Leaf Pine. It isn't going to pay to ship the trees to China to have them milled with cheap labor and then send the lumber back to the US. Heck, the plywood mill that is an hour from me shut down and the $100/ton value of my ply worthy trees fell to $11/ton for pulp wood. The next ply mill is 4 hours away and no one will haul trees that far. For the foreseeable future, saw mills are going to be a local biz.

So where did the mill move again?

The buggy makers never thought those self powered wagons would become wide spread. They even tried to pass laws about them. You needed a license to operate it after all....

FarmboyBill · #**264** 03/04/15, 01:13 PM

Did you know that they continued to put whip sockets on auto buggies?

bowdonkey · #**265** 03/04/15, 01:23 PM

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people make the best pay doing the jobs they are highly .

Hey, you started it.

I had some real nice ones when I worked at the shipyards. But I threw them away when I quit the Republican party.

FarmboyBill · #**266** 03/04/15, 02:38 PM

Yeah, I quit them 2 and went Indi when old man Perot ran.

bowdonkey · #**267** 03/04/15, 03:01 PM

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Yeah, I quit them 2 and went Indi when old man Perot ran.

Actually I did too at that time. Ross got alot of us to take a more critical look at government in general.

DEKE01 · #**268** 03/04/15, 03:18 PM

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I had some real nice ones when I worked at the shipyards. But I threw them away when I quit the Republican party.

Good for you and welcome to my world, assuming you are Libertarian or indy?

Yep, GWB convinced me that the Repubs were not going to be the solution.

DEKE01 · #**269** 03/04/15, 03:22 PM

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So where did the mill move again?

It didn't move. It shut down from lack of demand in 2010, I think. The real estate crash was hard on Florida. 400 job lost from that mill, if what I've been told is correct. Then the 3 largest employers in my county went belly up. That's why a lot of folks think an $8 / hour job is a good job around here. I hope one day soon that an $8 job will never see an applicant, but that's just hope.

DEKE01 · #**270** 03/04/15, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stanb999

I never made any excuse for the worker. I said "He is paying for floor sweepings and is surprised he is getting weed seed."

I said his advise to <30 year olds is useless.

See your msg #224. Yes, you are trying to excuse bad behavior. I think there were others but I didn't think it worth my time to go back any further.

The only advice I saw in the OP was, "Take care of the business because that is what is paying you. " And you think that is useless? I'm glad you never came to me for a job.

bowdonkey · #**271** 03/04/15, 03:56 PM

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Good for you and welcome to my world, assuming you are Libertarian or indy?

Yep, GWB convinced me that the Repubs were not going to be the solution.

More Constitutionalist now. Yep, I throw away my vote.

stanb999 · #**272** 03/04/15, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DEKE01

See your msg #224. Yes, you are trying to excuse bad behavior. I think there were others but I didn't think it worth my time to go back any further.

The only advice I saw in the OP was, "Take care of the business because that is what is paying you. " And you think that is useless? I'm glad you never came to me for a job.

Here is my post

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Why not? If he doesn't like the quality of work fire them. Why do you see it as other than a 2 way street? The worker has free will... Even as an employee.

Advocating firing them isn't exactly excusing them no?

DEKE01 · #**273** 03/04/15, 04:48 PM

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Here is my post

Advocating firing them isn't exactly excusing them no?

And what was the last sentence in your msg supposed to mean?

just_sawing · #**274** 03/04/15, 05:14 PM

Heres the rest of the story. I offered the job to two who had to have a job. The only job that days was moving some boxes. I offered the eight dollars per hour. I had a bid in the wind and it has been selected. The same two if they had had sand would have been offered the other job. I figure it will take two months to finish and will pay out between 8 to 10 Thousand. I have put up help wanted signs and had no takers. My base is a sawmill and it is winter. I just went to a Mexican Store and all I was asked was do you need me now and how much more can I do when I finish this job.

arabian knight · #**275** 03/04/15, 05:21 PM

I hear ya, a few git it but some don't but soon will as this country goes down the tubes even further.
Well that has been said on here time and time again young Americans just want the easy route of things that backs up my story on that 23 year old that could have had the world on a silver platter by getting his Das vending company but nope he was lazy unreliable and cost the company customers.~!
And money sure was not the answer, As that young fellow made out good in wages.
So NO money is not the problem the government and the school system that teaches not one thing on how to make a living thee days. And they learn it form other school friends that are just as unreliable and don't want to work but sure know how to live off the system..

Jolly · #**276** 03/04/15, 05:42 PM

Not everyone can be a huge corporation, there are plenty of niche spots that make a man a decent living.

Since we're talking sawmills...

These folks are the largest privately owned timber company in the United States:

https://www.royomartin.com/

They hundreds, perhaps thousands of people. Yet....

I have a friend with a Woodmizer band mill. ROM kicks all logs that fail the magnet test at their main plant to the side and my friend picks up these logs for free. He takes them home, runs a metal detector over them and takes a Stihl chainsaw and cuts out the bad part.

He hauls part of the week, cuts out bad spots part of the week and saws about three days a week, when he hires some part-time help for the mill.

He's making a pretty decent living, with a minimum amount of equipment.

Harrier · #**277** 03/04/15, 05:51 PM

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Also: can we address the lazy, entitled mindset of a man who tells someone, "you go out and make $1.2 million and I'll just take $200,000 of it and we'll call it even." Sounds like a guy with his hand in another man's pocket, no?

Sounds a lot like the IRS.

Harrier · #**278** 03/04/15, 05:57 PM

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8 dollars an hour isn't a good paying job.

What is the minimum wage that you would consider to be "good paying" and may I ask if you are accounting for COL differences in various geographical locales, not to mention the ability of a small operation to pay such a wage and remain profitable?

bowdonkey · #**279** 03/04/15, 06:04 PM

Yeehaw, 14 pages and soon to overtake the extreme composting thread. Contains about as much compost too.

Harrier · #**280** 03/04/15, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stanb999

Thanks for agreeing with me... The advise for the youth should be to find high paying work.

I see, and that high paying work is available to them right away without any necessary education, experience, or track record of possessing a semblance of a work ethic, right? They should just be able to demand a high wage without paying their dues? If so, then you sum up the entitlement mentality of the current young generation.