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Old 02/02/15, 10:08 PM
 
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Mmmmm... Most AC motors vary surprisingly little in draw whether loaded or not. Also, motors that start to draw amps can pull the voltage down giving a false reading, so you would want to measure wattage and not just amperage.
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Old 02/03/15, 06:58 PM
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If you know the specs on the pump you can check the amperage draw to know if it's free running or actually turning the impeller before you have to pull it 300 feet.If it is pulling normal amperage I would think it would be more likely any leak would be between the pumphead and the house.
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A simpler way is just to open the valve at the top of the well, there's usually a spigot installed inline and if everything's ok below it, it will spew water at good pressure. Then you can look for a break between the house and the well.
If not, something down there has gone bad and it's time to start pulling.
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A simpler way is just to open the valve at the top of the well, there's usually a spigot installed inline and if everything's ok below it, it will spew water at good pressure. Then you can look for a break between the house and the well.
If not, something down there has gone bad and it's time to start pulling.

I should have known as much but I have never been around a deep well. Ours is hand dug 35' deep so it's a different critter!

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Old 02/03/15, 08:55 PM
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One thing is certain, no man knows it all and we all have time to learn something new, lol.
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Old 02/04/15, 02:07 PM
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Uncle it needed a new pump and tank. $2100.00 later they have water. haha. I watched them pull it and fix it, I think, as crazy as it may sound, I will pull ours myself with the back hoe when something goes wrong with it. There really isn't much to them. Hopefully we wont have to worry about it anytime soon.
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Yep last time I did mine it was less than $400.00 .Three good men and a boy can pull it . But I had two good men and a girl .I supervised
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Let me ask you Jim, do you need to have something that can lift it way in air or can you pull one by hand?
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Let me ask you Jim, do you need to have something that can lift it way in air or can you pull one by hand?

330 ft. with a pump on the end of it is a lot of weight to pull by hand.
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Let me ask you Jim, do you need to have something that can lift it way in air or can you pull one by hand?
If you were there at your uncles place when they pulled the pump was that 330 feet of drop pipe stiff or was it flexible.

My well was here when I bought this property. It was hand driven in 1968 if I remember correctly.
It is 44 feet of 2" pipe with a five foot screen point so 49 feet to the very bottom. Of course the top of that pipe is five feet below grade in a well pit.
Yes my pump is a deep well jet setting on top of that 2" pipe.
I built a shed on top of the well pit and sure enough it was a great decision because it seems I only need to service something down there in the Winter time. I completely rebuilt that pump in January of 2010.
I go into the shed, close the door, open the trap door and go down the ladder all nice and sheltered.
If I ever do need to pull my drop pipe I will have to move the shed off the well but that is so easy for a guy like me.
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Old 02/04/15, 08:05 PM
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330 ft. with a pump on the end of it is a lot of weight to pull by hand.
That is deep and a LOT of weight.
A boom truck with a nice high tower, as those lengths are at least 20 foot long each, and a nice Heavy cable, and that much weight a pretty good sized Winch at that. And a Good Clamp to clamp the pipe as you take off the 20 foot length you just puled out, which may indeed need two pretty good sized pipe wrenches like 36 inch ones~!
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Old 02/04/15, 08:39 PM
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Uncle it needed a new pump and tank. $2100.00 later they have water. haha. I watched them pull it and fix it, I think, as crazy as it may sound, I will pull ours myself with the back hoe when something goes wrong with it. There really isn't much to them. Hopefully we wont have to worry about it anytime soon.

That is how I learned about it. I paid for a lesson and watched closely.
I don't know what your backhoe looks like, but I've done it with the bucket of a medium sized tractor, probably would work the same way.

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That is deep and a LOT of weight.
A boom truck with a nice high tower, as those lengths are at least 20 foot long each, and a nice Heavy cable, and that much weight a pretty good sized Winch at that. And a Good Clamp to clamp the pipe as you take off the 20 foot length you just puled out, which may indeed need two pretty good sized pipe wrenches like 36 inch ones~!

You definitely won't lift that weight without mechanical help, unless the College All Pro offensive line happens to be your house guests at the time, lol.

The well rigs make quick work of the 20 ft. lengths, but with a DIY set up, 10 ft. at a time is better and safer, even if it takes a little longer. BTDT.....
At 20 ft without a support to lean against, the water weight inside the pipe makes it want to U turn towards the ground and possibly *SNAP* leaving the wire and safety rope to save the day.
I'll take my time and get it done right since I'm doing it on the cheap.
I made a set of nifty clamps from welder's vise clamps with a bisected piece of 2" metal pipe welded on the clamping ends. It holds the PVC firmly and releases quick as I pull each section and cut it. One at the base to keep it from dropping down the well and the next one at the ready when I pull that section up with the tractor.
You'll get the idea as you do it yourself.
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Old 02/05/15, 06:38 AM
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Yes I watched the whole job and asked a lot of questions. haha. They probably thought I was a weirdo. The well is 165', guess the years have clouded my Uncles memory. haha. It was 20ft PVC Schedule 80 sections. The same company drilled ours so maybe it is similar??
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Old 02/05/15, 06:40 AM
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Farmrbrown, they had a clamp kind of like you are talking about that the clamped every time a new section got exposed and it would sit on top of the well head.
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Let me ask you Jim, do you need to have something that can lift it way in air or can you pull one by hand?
Well Co's and many others want the average person to think it is a big deal and it works . Most wells here have at the most SCH40 PVC in them don't think you could find a SCH80 in a hundred miles . First thing is don't ever loose the bolts on the swedge coupling more than necessary to pull the pipe up . If you remove them completely there are two half circles plates will fall and jam the pump from moving . The most weight will be when it clears the water level . When the pipe gets so high it will tend to bow on it's own a large bow this is where the girl took over . She held the pipe head keeping the large bow in the air while walking backwards .

Most pumps have a place to hook a cable when installing and for removal ,it stays with the pump .Not many well Co's will tell you this either Gus's well drilling just done a buddy of mines full deal tank and all less than a thousand dollars . We just aren't able to do it any longer in the winter .

Also take note most old PVC and CPVC pipe will become brittle with age so just use a hack saw to cut it from the get go . The regular PVC cutters will shatter a brittle pipe .

Now a shameless plug for Gus Well Drilling they don't rip folks off and some old folks he has been known to take payments for work done at 0% interest too . All his workers know how to say yes mam or yes sir and please and thank you too.
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Well that is all fine and dandy if PVC was used in the beginning.
But my 22 year old well the pipe was Galvanized~! You start pulling out many 20 foot lengths of galvanized pipe and you soon find out THAT is heavy and hard to unscrew the couplings. And coming from a plumbing and well drilling family many older wells and ALL OLD wells in my area galvanized pipes were used. Not anymore but like I said my well is not that old and had galvanized pipes. So that is where I was coming from if galvanized pipe is used it is HEAVY beyond believe when you get down very deep.
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Well that is all fine and dandy if PVC was used in the beginning.
But my 22 year old well the pipe was Galvanized~! You start pulling out many 20 foot lengths of galvanized pipe and you soon find out THAT is heavy and hard to unscrew the couplings.
There hasn't been a Galvanized pipe used in this area since the war of northern aggression But it I had one I would rig an A frame type hoist with winch then take my flame wrench and turn those pipes into scrap metal Then put in PVC
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