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Old 12/17/04, 09:16 AM
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"Will antifreeze kill coyotes?"

Maybe, and probably. But antifreeze is cruel on several levels relating to both the wildlife which may encounter your action to deliberatly placing antifreeze out in the environment illegally.
Also, as already pointed out, the antifreeze is a hazard and potential killer to your own domestic stock, or dogs by accidental spillage or animals feeding on a dead coyote carcass.

Consider also that some of this type of intervention has unpredictable results which some coyotes or other animals more attracted to the area...including larger predators that may develop resistance to toxins or tolerate for a long time and still do damage. It's also not that far fetched that following generations of coyotes with toxin tolerance passed on with genetic morphosis. Might really be creating more monster than you realize by practices such as this.

In a nushell it's not allowed to take poison control with antifreeze use into the environment. Heavy pollution fines for toxins like this excaping or deliberate placing eventually will be enforced on you.
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Old 12/17/04, 02:14 PM
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I was not going to post on this at all.... but here is my take on things.
One to me, There are no Stupid questions.
We all started out as beginners at some point, and I know we all asked some,, ah.. rather interesting questions, that would of had folks shaking their heads as if to say, what is that person thinking by golly?
One can also respond in a manner that does not make a person feel like running away. We do not want newer folks to run and hide because we become a little too passionate with our answers.

I would have answered the question simply by going..

I do not think this personally is a good idea, and here is why. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Then maybe a tasteful link or two.
Like it can kill the good wildlife too,, or someones child that is in the wrong place at the wrong time, even though they should be no where near your place.


On another note...You know, I have been thinking a lot lately. About the predator problem..and it is a major one both for the small farmer to the big Rancher. Regardless of the reasons. Have been Reading ASI and others that put out information on the problems we are facing in this day in age.
Sometime, I have seen both Wolf and Coyote packs get so big, in what I call the pigeon syndrome, that something needs to be done.
The government and a few Stary eyed people that thought they were doing a good thing at the time. They should be the ones to either take the cost, or trap the ones that are being the most problems. Trap them in a more human manner, and be quick to come out when needed.
This is hypothetical, but this is something that can come true, if nothing is done by the people that raise livestock and have farms in the USA....
There are good folks out there, that have tried every method of non lethal deterrents to keep their livestock safe. From Guardian Dogs, to having folks ride the herds everyday. There are some areas that nothing works. Many packs of wolves are scheduled to be removed and not be a problem again. It is something that needs to be done.
If some of the people have their way, we would not be allowed at all defend our livestock and Farms. What would happen? I See , more and more folks being told to give up on making food for the country. I see us relying more on more on other countries for food. How much control over us, is that going to give other countries? Will we still be the USA?
I also see those big companies the only one raising our cattle, sheep, chickens, etc.. in huge buildings because the animals can't be left out because the predators are so abundant.
I would not want to eat those animals that are forced to live in intensive farming.
It will happen if the Animal Rights groups, keep posting and having TV ads, to all those people that think chicken eggs come from Costco. It is hard with us to compete with 1million dollar donations, like Bob Barker made.
You don't think it can happen, it already is. With every new law or restriction, with ever ad the Animal rights group post.
I just hope my son does not live in a world that can't have livestock or farms any more.
Please do not flame me for my thoughts... what I posted is just my worries.
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Old 12/17/04, 03:39 PM
 
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Bergere,

Actually most of the animal rights proponents (myself included but certainly not PETA) want the same thing that you want. What you are trying to avoid is big indoor meat factories instead of real farms. That's what a lot of the activists are trying to stop as well. I won't eat pork that came from a store because most of those pigs never saw the light of day and somewhere a line is crossed in terms of basic decency. An animal ought to have some kind of a life and fresh air, even if it's ultimate destiny is to be eaten by humans.

It is sort of like the antifreeze discussion that this came from. Sometimes you have to kill a predator. The good and decent way to do it is to get your gun, wait for the varmint and shoot it as clean as possible. I've had to do it myself. If someone were to capture the same fox or coyote and kill it by cutting it's legs off and plucking out it's eyes we would all call him a sick SOB and probably want to have some words with him in the form of a whuppin'. Killing an animal with antifreeze isn't far off from that scenario. And I'd say that raising a semi-intelligent animal in a steel pen 3' wide without it ever seeing sunlight it's whole life is only a few steps away from that.

Torturing an animal for any reason says a lot about the man who is doing it and what it says about him isn't fit to be printed in a family-friendly forum like this.

Shoot the predators and do what you have to in order to keep raising livestock outside on small farms where they belong. The vast majority of liberals understand that you are in the right.

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Old 12/17/04, 05:54 PM
 
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I don't know, but when I moved out to the wilderness, I KNEW there would be wildlife, predators included. I built my animal housing, predator proof. I keep my animals shut up at night. I haven't had a problem, have never lost even one animal in 8 years. I have LGD and SGD they do their job. If after all your precautions, you still manage to lose some, and feel the need to, for goodnes sake, dispatch them humainly!
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