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Old 07/29/04, 05:06 PM
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Oh yeah, just because someone doesnt want something to die a horrible LONG agonizing death, then that means they are liberals

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Get a Great Pyrenees

Get a Great Pyrenees LGD and you won't have any problems, I promise.

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Old 07/30/04, 06:29 AM
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Great Pyr's sound like a good idea...but got anything else that will survive a florida summer?

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Old 07/30/04, 08:48 AM
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ok , i understand not wanting them around, but we're talking florida, kill one and another will replace it .....

just a thought ,
something we use here,i have several neighbors with un nuetered dogs, they wander, and i dotn want them around., luckily i have a teen son , and a hubby who likes to play paint ball...
a coyote, or dog shot with one of these will have a welt or a darn good bruise.... , and the scare will keep them away , yes you still have to "hunt " them , but you can fix them up
it works here for dogs !
except for one, and on that one , well, its amazing what a well aimed broadhead does to a dog that has bitten a child ...
go ahead and say what you will, but i wont tolerate my child being bitten because the meth heads down the road wont control thier mutt.

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Old 07/30/04, 12:02 PM
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I don't understand why any sane person would even THINK of asking others if it's O.K. to put antifreeze out for wild animals. If you have a brain at all you'd automatically know to NOT DO such a STUPID uncivilized act.
I agree with you completely!
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I agree with al of you , in NOT using antifreeze. But we use to have a very elderly couple that lived down the road from us, on the next farm, and they used it all the time. lots of old farmers so, they say it gets the job done. I was always up set when they did this. but their thinking was, they lock their animals up in stalls, then set it out, and then pick up the anti freeze in the mroning before they let their animals out. but I know they killed many a litter of kittens as well, as everything else. I think it is a heart less thing to do.
A gun works very well, here at this place. you just have to stay up and watch. So it takes some of your time, and you might loose some sleep over it, but it is the best way to go. and the animal, dies in a heartbeat. with out suffering. and to me that is the best way to go.

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I don't think antifreeze is a good idea. I agree with whoever posted that you should sit out with a rifle instead. Antifreeze poisoning is such a terrible painful way to die. And it's not the fox's fault, he's just hungry.

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anything with kidneys

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yes it will, it will also kill just about every other animal , that drinks it.
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Actually its more nausea than pain, it causes renal failure, less painful than being gutshot if you are not a marksman

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I don't think antifreeze is a good idea. I agree with whoever posted that you should sit out with a rifle instead. Antifreeze poisoning is such a terrible painful way to die. And it's not the fox's fault, he's just hungry.
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It's worked for me but some on this forum claims it doesn't. Human male urine collected about 6 hours after a meaty meal, sprinkled around the area to mark your territory keeps out the four legged predators.

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Around here, people just go out and shoot off their guns or rifles whenever coyotes come around. They don't even have to shoot the coyotes --- the noise is enough to shoo them off.

That's what I'd do if I were you. If you don't have a gun, get some fireworks and start setting them off randomly. The coyotes will move on to easier marks.
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It's worked for me but some on this forum claims it doesn't. Human male urine collected about 6 hours after a meaty meal, sprinkled around the area to mark your territory keeps out the four legged predators.
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sounds like the coyotes around here

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I went camping last night with five little boys. We had all kinds of fireworks and made a ton of noise. Within an hour of settling down, the coyotes came through, probably not 100 yards away. We had a latern on and a fire going and were still up talking.

Scared those kids to death! we ended up going home at 1am since they all couldn't fit in the car!

I was very surprised that they came through there at all after all the racket we made.

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You gotta have a good dog around

Sure, you can sit outside with a rifle all day if you don't want to get anything else done. You can put out antifreeze and kill everything in sight or you can get a good dog that will keep the varmits away. You seriously need to look into getting a good quality livestock guardian dog. And yes, Great Pyrenees will survive a hot Florida summer. All they need is a little shade a water just like anything else.

We run 30 head of goats in a high coyote populated area in Ohio. Our kids run with the mature goats. We have had a lot of stray dogs killing livestock as well, more so than coyotes this year. As the neighbors stock gets killed off little by little...... I keep selling more pups for a reason. They speak for themselves. I have not lost a single animal to predators. If you want to make a long term investment to protect your assets, you need a good dog. Nuf said.

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Call all your neighbors and tell them of your problem and that you are going to put poison out for one week and then it will be safe to turn their pets loose. Sure it is cruel to poison with antifreeze, but you have to do what you have to do. I am sure that your chickens are not in alot of pleasure when the cyotes are crushing them to death with their jaws.
You have every right, and obligation to protect your pets and animals. By the way for the people that tell you to just shoot, or trap them, they probably have never dealt with a wiley coyote. It ain't that easy to do. I have had alot of problems with deer in the past and tried all the humane tricks until i finally realized that it wouldn't work. Now i keep a 22 at the back door and another one in the shop. Got 11 in the last 4 months and believe me it has helped the situation. Now when a deer crosses my property is going soo fast that i don't get a shot at it. As long as it crosses my land that fast it is not going to cause any problems. Do whatever you have to do to get rid of them. Probably when you talk to your neighbors they have probably had problems to, and might want to put out some antifreeze to. Just be sure and use antifreeze that has already been used, it work's alot better. It picks up alot of lead from the radiator.
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Old 07/31/04, 02:56 PM
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BIL neighbor shot the coyotes and hawks going after his chickens.Shot the rabbits in the garden.Next year they had MORE coyotes,More rabbits,more mice,less hawks.There are problems with upsetting the ecosystem like that.
He finally locked his birds up securely.
I like the dog answer too.Beats poison by a mile.
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A call to common sense, please!

After being away for months, and then reading the previous posts, I was reminded why I left this forum. Just timing that I read it all, but this was just too much!

If you've forgotten what it looks like to come home from wally world, and find your coop open, run torn apart, and dead or dieing birds littering the yard, just do nothing. Keep feeding the varmints from your fresh bird smorgasboard, they appreciate the easy pickings!

Go ahead, quit your job and sit in a tree with a gun day and night, hoping to nail one. They're not stupid, they'll smell you and wait until you leave for 5 minutes before they grab another bird.

Maybe it's not a coyote, how about a fox, mink, opossum, rats, snakes, hawks, or neighbor's pet poodle? So what!? Just keep on feeding the varmints!?

We came home from buying feed a couple of weeks ago, to find fresh blood running down the necks of our birds, it was the middle of the day. Yeah, my kids saw it all. They were wondering if mom and dad were gonna "get those murdering varmints". They weren't spouting nonsense like, "Well, it's just natural for a varmint to tear apart a dozen birds, leaving some dead (or dying) and eating the heads off the others." They wanted the murderous varmint stopped, NOW.

A slow agonizing death by Anti-freeze would have been just fine by them, heck they probably would have enjoyed watching it die after what it did to the hand raised, very tame, defenseless birds.

I opted for fly crystals and mountain dew. It stopped that varmint cold the FIRST TIME, when I couldn't catch the varmint night after night of staying up with a gun. As a benefit, it also stopped the egg stealing, probably a rat, and the birds actually sleep quietly at night again.


When a 3 roaming wild dogs came through the neighborhood and took down a 35lb turkey, she was was barely tough enough to make it back to the house - dragging a dog, latched onto her thigh, some 150 yards. Feathers and blood everywhere, I ran for a gun and emptied it, missing them all as they scattered on a dead run. It took 6 weeks to get that hen walking normal again, but not a feather will ever grow on that side they tore open. She looks fresh plucked on one side. The kids washed and packed those wounds daily for 6 weeks. Had I not stopped in for lunch, this sweet old BBW hen would have fed 3 wild dogs.


6 months ago, another pack of dogs killed a deer 200 feet outside our front door. My kids noticed 4 or 5 of them dining on it in the early morning light. That time, the 25-06 did get one of them, it had a collar & no tags, a neighbor got 2 more, and the rest ... we saw a bitch with a half dozen puppy mutts trailing her a month ago.

Well, everyone in the neighborhood is shooting them as fast as the city slickers drop them off. Wild dogs don't just appear out of nowhere. Some people actually leave the collars on these, after they remove the tags. My wife got an ear full for calling the county animal control, they told her to shoot them on sight. It was a lawyer that insisted we needed to let animal control handle this kind of thing - "liability", he said, "don't want to shoot someone's pet". No wonder why he's on a call-in talk show, he's got no clients, or sense. He even argued with the lady from animal control that called in to straighten him out. She .... BTW... said, "...by ANY means, any way possible, kill them." I guess someone here would call her "uncivilized" or "cruel".


I've seen what coyotes do to the fox, raccoon, deer, bob white, pheasant, partridge populations when they moved into southern Wisconsin 30 years ago. The woods I once walked through, camped in and played as a kid - I wouldn't set foot in them alone, and without a side arm. My brother says he can't remember the last time he heard a bob white quail, ruffled grouse - birds we grew up with and enjoyed hearing & seeing, but never hunted. The coyotes (not natural to Wisconsin, are they?) have completely altered the natural eco-system in southern Wisconsin, and decimated the species that had been there for centuries.

Now, when my kids want to see or hear a ruffled gouse drumming on a hollow log, I can show them a picture and play a tape. If they want to hear a bob white quail, we have them penned up - because I have to raise them in captivity, behind bars. I have a stuffed fox, so they can look at that and maybe I can find a couple of "yips & yaps" sounds on the internet somewhere. We can thank the DNR and the evironmentalists for trying to recreate this so-called balanced natural environment (in their own twisted image). Actually, all they really wanted to do was eliminate the need for hunters and eventually all the guns.

Jena said she took her boys camping in the woods? We useto go out for days or a week at a time as kids, just coming home for more pancake mix and syrup if the blackberries weren't sweet enough. I'd be crazy to take my kids out into the same woods now. Even if you didn't get attacked, seeing those staring eyes all night in the campfire glow and the yipping and howling would keep you up - and I don't care how big a dog (or GP) you got, coyotes EAT Great Pyrenees too! The breeder I got mine from in Colorado said they are NO MATCH for a dozen hungry coyotes. A pair of winerrammer (sp, also know as a grey ghost), or a pair of russian wolfhounds are the only dogs I've ever witnessed killing coyotes, but the coyotes learn fast, and will in turn, hunt your dogs in larger and larger numbers, overwhelming them. Let coyotes begin to flourish, and watch everything else disappear, including your cat & dog - it happens so quickly and suddenly!


The next time you start losing birds, right and left, will a gun, anti-freeze, fly crystals & dew, rat poison, poison carcass, traps be your answer, or would it be some liberal environmentalist tripe like, "they're only doing what's natural, lock up your birds behind bars". Varmints learn fast by habit and ease of procuring the prey. They will not stop until they find an easier source of food, or you kill them.

When some bear or cougar kills a defenseless jogger, or pit bull kills some kid playing in the back yard - do you hunt down and kill the varmint? Or chew out the parents for not putting the kid in a cage and jogger's friends for letting him/her run (free range).

Said about all I wanted to, but it probably won't do any good. I am truely saddened by the numerous posts, that I consider written in ignorance of what's really at stake.

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What a rediculous, long-winded rant! Maybe you should go back into hibernation.

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You said exactly what I was thinking, but it would have taken me all day to type that much. It is truly sad when the victim is blamed for what happens to him/it, & ridiculed for doing what is necessary to protect himself/his property.
My chickens have to be penned 75% of the time to protect them from predators, yet the neighbors' dogs are free to come by & help themselves to one at any time & if I was caught shooting one, I could be charged with cruelty to animals. (It has actually happened to someone I know).
My ancestors spent 100 years ridding this area of wolves, & now....someone....has "repopulated" them here. They have very little fear of people, & a pack of them threatened my neighbor while she was walking in the woods behind her house, yet they are "protected". What is she supposed to do, stay out of her woods, so the wolves can have them?
If things continue in this direction, it won't be long before we can only hide in fear, & not defend ourselves at all.

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I am glad to see someone agrees with me about protecting your property. I spoke up last week and got crucified for it I was beginning to think I was the only non peta member on here.

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I am glad to see someone agrees with me about protecting your property. I spoke up last week and got crucified for it I was beginning to think I was the only non peta member on here.
No, you were DISAGREED with by PEOPLE (not liberals, and not People Eating Tasty Animals) who suggested shooting, trapping, better fences, or faster-acting poisons to protect the chickens.
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