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Old 01/22/15, 11:48 AM
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Misouri will allow you to use snares to trap, IF you take a class and become certified. I took the class. I have trapped since I was 10 or 12 years old, starting in the mid 60's. Dont do it much anymore, not much money in it.

If I had a problem with some varmits I would break out the traps again.

I did see an armidillo go in a hole several years back and took him out with a conibear.

I am in the dead center of Missouri and we have not had armidillos this far north. I hate to see them get started. Hope I killed the only straggler, but I doubt it.

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Old 01/22/15, 03:27 PM
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Yikes!

I bet if you contacted MDC they would deny Armadillos were in the state the same way they claimed that there were no cougars. Now they are saying, well, okay, there are cougars in MO (one made the local news when it was killed just under 3 miles from our farm) they just aren't breeding.

But ask the local Amish farmers and they will tell you otherwise.

Now they are saying that black bears are making a comeback in the Ozark regions.

How soon before they move north?

And they are reintroducing Elk to the state. Oh, goody. Something bigger than a deer that we have to watch out for when we are out driving.

Can't you eat Armadillo?
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They offered a bounty in our county and also a 500 dollar prize to the person who brings in the most coyotes. We've had some loud opposition from animal rights people in our area who think it is just awful to kill "those poor coyotes".
We have a neighbor who traps them and thankfully we don't hear any in our area like we did before.
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Old 01/22/15, 04:09 PM
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Have you seen these? It might help.
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One coyote can sound like 4 or 5. They have the ability to throw their voices so when you think you're listening to a pack...you're mostly listening to 1-2 at the most usually.
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Old 01/22/15, 09:25 PM
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Hello, Newbie here, from North Central Missouri, NOW I know where all our coyotes went to!!! We usually have a LOT of them around here, but for some reason this year we have hardly heard, or seen, them. Sounds like they all packed up and moved your way, maybe you have "greener pastures"??? I sure don't miss them!
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I agree there are situations in which coyotes are a problem and need to be eliminated.

However, after reading many threads over the years on different forums, I've noticed that many are obsessed with killing coyotes, and exaggerate their damage, and ignore their benefits.

Many assume when they find a dead calf, that a coyote killed it. One guy told of a calf being carried over the fence by a coyote (impossible).

Around here, roaming dogs are the biggest problem.

The coyotes I see spend their time in the fields catching mice. I assume mice damage pastures, but few seem to care about that.

I find it easiest to keep the chickens secured, especially against dogs. As for cows, I expect them to protect their calves from the puny coyotes. I worry more about the bigger dogs.

I want to keep the coyotes working for me, controlling vermin and varmints.
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Old 01/23/15, 07:01 AM
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MichaelArk that is pretty close to what we are hearing only my husband says we are hearing more than what were vocalizing in that video. Our smallest dog (30 pounds) was lying beside me on the sofa when I hit the play button and she immediately started shaking.

They were active again last night. Same time, around 8 pm and once again, a shot fired off from my .38 quieted the local racket immediately.

Agman, any chance that you would take em back? LOL.

I imagine that with lambing season starting soon where we are somebody is going to be having to dealing with them whether demons or angels. Dead lambs equals somebody's profit margins taking a dive.
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Old 01/23/15, 07:04 AM
 
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A rabbit in distress cd, a cd player, a red lens over your spotlight, and a .223 make for a fun evening.

Around here there are several groups who hunt coyotes with dogs. Also, there are some folk who snare them and sell them live to a dog training place east of Springfield. Lots of ways of getting rid of them.
Coyotes have been real bad here in SW Missouri.
They've even been killing livestock.
Some of the farmers have started offering bounties.
I'm a coyote hunter but have never accepted payment for it.
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Old 01/23/15, 08:51 AM
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I kinda wish we had more just to control the feral cats and dogs at large in my area.We dont have many here but the ones we have are german shepard size and smart. People around here will kill a dog if it's loose and looks anything like a coyote.
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I can sleep through the storm.

Ever hard the story? its about being ready.
I cant see any reason to care about coyotes.
Ive got a good fence. Build a good fence sleep well and leave the wildlife alone.
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I can sleep through the storm.

Ever hard the story? its about being ready.
I cant see any reason to care about coyotes.
Ive got a good fence. Build a good fence sleep well and leave the wildlife alone.
Coyotes can and will climb a fence or dig under.
No problems.
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LOL neat theory but Ive never seen it happen.
Any fence that can keep a dog and hog in will keep a coyote out.
Any fence that wont aint worth the effort .
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LOL neat theory but Ive never seen it happen.
Any fence that can keep a dog and hog in will keep a coyote out.
Any fence that wont aint worth the effort .
I've seen a coyote clear a seven foot block fence that was around a swimming pool ... in the middle of Scottsdale, AZ. When I worked in an inner city area of Phoenix (at the Broadway curve, for those familiar with Phoenix) there was a coyote who would hop a six foot high security fence around a dumpster, and then jump into the dumpster ... and he had one badly broken leg that had never healed and just dangled. Didn't look like it was that hard for the coyote to do.

Not many dogs will jump that high. Some will, but most won't. (We keep our dogs in the yard with a 3' high gate at one point. It's never occurred to them that they could jump it. A coyote would be over that in two seconds flat if not for three good sized dogs on the other side ... LOL.)

I used to know a lady who bred wolves and other rare-breed canids, and did rescue/rehab on the side. She had several rescued coyotes, and kept them behind a ten foot fence (stacked cattle panels) with an inner "lip" so they couldn't climb out. The entire pen had chain link buried under gravel. Then she had a second fence around the perimeter in case any of the animals got out. She told me she'd never had a wolf get out, but the coyotes occasionally figured out a new way to foil her fences ...

Oh, re: packing behavior -- I think for coyotes, it's been fairly well established that the bigger packs are generally seen in areas with a good food source. Around here, where the pickings are slim most of the year, I usually just seen one or two at a time, sometimes with a few adolescent pups tagging along. When I worked in the city, I would see packs of several adult coyotes running together. They had all the food they needed and then some in the city ...
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I've seen em go through game fences and never break stride.
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Old 01/24/15, 11:45 PM
 
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LOL neat theory but Ive never seen it happen.
Any fence that can keep a dog and hog in will keep a coyote out.
Any fence that wont aint worth the effort .
Just because you've never seen it happen, well, that just don't mean squat.
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Old 01/25/15, 12:16 AM
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a trap set for a coyote will take a roaming dog just as well , they are less likely to be suspicions of it in some ways
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I used to know a lady who bred wolves and other rare-breed canids, and did rescue/rehab on the side. She had several rescued coyotes, and kept them behind a ten foot fence (stacked cattle panels) with an inner "lip" so they couldn't climb out. The entire pen had chain link buried under gravel. ...
Thank God somebody finally did the research to see what a good fence is.

My fences have never been quite that good but I suspect animals fenced in might put a bit more pressure on a fence than animals fenced out.
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Thank God somebody finally did the research to see what a good fence is.

My fences have never been quite that good but I suspect animals fenced in might put a bit more pressure on a fence than animals fenced out.
You left out an important part of that quote.

"The entire pen had chain link buried under gravel. Then she had a second fence around the perimeter in case any of the animals got out. She told me she'd never had a wolf get out, but the coyotes occasionally figured out a new way to foil her fences ..."

If you are fencing in that manner, you must not be fencing much area. That's real real pricey.I'm guessing you live in the city.
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