opening in fencing ?

||Downhome|| · #41 12/12/14, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by am1too

A deer tangled up in a farm fence. Now that is good.

Happens pretty often here, and decent size deer none the less.
Just this Fall Neighbor called over another Neighbor to put down a Doe that
Messed her leg up pretty good getting hung up.

Other Spots they just have it knocked down.

homebody · #42 12/12/14, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rambler

I know it is so easy to pile up on someone, and put them in a defensive corner. My comments above, and others, are so.

We get such little info, and such little space and time to write cold black and white messages in forums like this.....

From your message, it seems you want to buy a new place and move into a community.

Doing so takes a little effort on your part. And a new property is never 'perfect', they need a little work, a little flex on your part.

I understand you have a fence openning, and you would like to no have that openning.

From what we know, it sure seems rude of you to be demanding the neighbor fix the problem. From what you wrote, it seems you don't like or respect the fella living next door, and you are going to make demands of him before you even own the property, without even talking to him yet.

That is how you have presented your case here.

If it were me, I would want to meet the neighbor, smile and chat with him, have a conversation.

As others have said, mention the fence in passing after a bit, no demands or accusations - just mention in passing. Sometimes there is more to a story, and perhaps the owner of your property actually caused the openning in the

Cultivate a 20 year relationship with a new neighbor.

From what you wrote, it sounds like you want to March over to his door, bash on it until he opens it, and demand the bum fix up the fence to your standards. And right now.

If that is -not- what you meant to say, how about we all start over, and what is it you are trying to accomplish?

Myself, I would like to slide into a community and meet people half way. If I wanted a line fence openning closed, I would assume it is my responsibility to make that change. I would not move onto a community and make such demands of new neighbors right off the bat.

One gets a reputation pretty quick that way.

My priority would be to get along with neighbors and community that I can, and to do the work that needs done on my dime to make my property the way I want it. The way you presented your case so far, it appears you will demand a lot of neighbors, and might be a tad rude about it. But - that is, again, the black and white nature of these forums, and yes I am assuming a lot with that presumption.

It all depends what you meant, in this black and white forum way of communication?

I wish you the best in your property hunt and likely new place, hope it makes a nice home and good community for you. And years of shelter, home, and good work.

Paul

We are hoping dh can get a few days off at Christmas-time and we will go down to the property. If we have time, we're planning on stopping by the neighbors house. Will find out who put the fence up years ago as we can't reach the owner to ask him. Plan on letting dh do any talking.
In regards to saying that we will have animals that need to be fenced in, (we would be lying) we don't plan to have a dog, farm animals other than chickens that will be penned far away from the fence. So no loose animals that need to be fenced. Not lying to the people just to close opening.

So why are we looking at a place with 10+ acres? Because we have endured living here in MO with people so close on one side that we can hear their normal conversations when they are in their yard. Need some distance on all 4 sides - I don't want to hear anyones business and would have to wear earplugs when in my yard to not hear it. After 16 years, I'm sick of it and want some peace and quiet.

The acreage could have been bought at one time as the owner was going to divide up. The neighbors could have reached a deal with him during this time if they wanted to buy what is directly behind the house. NOW all 10+ acres goes with the house as owner is not gonna bother with dividing.

am1too · #43 12/12/14, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ||Downhome||

Happens pretty often here, and decent size deer none the less.
Just this Fall Neighbor called over another Neighbor to put down a Doe that
Messed her leg up pretty good getting hung up.

Other Spots they just have it knocked down.

WOW! I have never seen or heard of that before. We must have great deer and poor fences. A neighbor did have a goat get his horns tangled up in a field fence and had to put it down.

am1too · #44 12/12/14, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by homebody

We are hoping dh can get a few days off at Christmas-time and we will go down to the property. If we have time, we're planning on stopping by the neighbors house. Will find out who put the fence up years ago as we can't reach the owner to ask him. Plan on letting dh do any talking.
In regards to saying that we will have animals that need to be fenced in, (we would be lying) we don't plan to have a dog, farm animals other than chickens that will be penned far away from the fence. So no loose animals that need to be fenced. Not lying to the people just to close opening.

So why are we looking at a place with 10+ acres? Because we have endured living here in MO with people so close on one side that we can hear their normal conversations when they are in their yard. Need some distance on all 4 sides - I don't want to hear anyones business and would have to wear earplugs when in my yard to not hear it. After 16 years, I'm sick of it and want some peace and quiet.

The acreage could have been bought at one time as the owner was going to divide up. The neighbors could have reached a deal with him during this time if they wanted to buy what is directly behind the house. NOW all 10+ acres goes with the house as owner is not gonna bother with dividing.

Confession is great for the soul.

Then the fence is really not an issue.

Harry Chickpea · #45 12/12/14, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ||Downhome||

Happens pretty often here, and decent size deer none the less.
Just this Fall Neighbor called over another Neighbor to put down a Doe that
Messed her leg up pretty good getting hung up.

Other Spots they just have it knocked down.

Yep. Here too. There are a few spots in an old back fence (once used to keep in goats) where the wire has been twisted around because of them. If there is any slack at all it becomes more of a possibility. The deer around here are more skittish than bright, and forget about fences in their mad dashes.

Muleman · #46 12/12/14, 10:13 AM

HB, I hope you have found the answers you were looking for. I have to agree, that your last reply certainly goes to the true intent of your inquiry about the fence. If this thread had been started with that post, the entire conversation would have likely gone in a different direction.

TheFarmerMommy · #47 12/12/14, 10:16 AM

In my state, the seller must by law furnish survey. Have you been provided one? I realize this may vary from state to state. But I wouldn't personally buy a property without knowing the exact property lines. And previous posters are correct. The fence line often is not the property line. My county has the largest concentration of limestone deposits in the country. Fences go in wherever they can go around the rock breaks.When I had a fencing crew out last year, we discovered that the neighbors in the back have a lot of stuff (wood pile, etc.) sitting on my property. He probably didn't know any better - the old fence left from the dairy farm days is about 40 feet off the line.

There's an opening in the other fence line to the neighboring horse farm because they used to board horses here & ride across. I've never bothered with it because I'm going to run hot wire for the hogs up there. They're respectful and have never used the opening since I've owned the farm. I'm not clear on why you're so bothered at the opening if you won't have animals. If it were established it was in fact my fence, I'd fix it myself in the interest of not being the jerky neighbor. I'm not great at fencing, but even I could manage a 20 foot section of barbed wire in under an hour. Probably only needs one T post pounded.

big rockpile · #48 12/12/14, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Chickpea

<meh> an opening like that could be a way to keep deer from getting tangled up in a fence that isn't currently used for stock. Who knows why the opening is there. They could have a son or daughter 18 feet wide.

This is true I left an opening in the Fence at our old place to encourage Deer to use it in order to come by me. Plus it gave an opening for Forestry to get in to fight fires.

big rockpile

big rockpile · #49 12/12/14, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFarmerMommy

In my state, the seller must by law furnish survey. Have you been provided one? I realize this may vary from state to state. But I wouldn't personally buy a property without knowing the exact property lines. And previous posters are correct. The fence line often is not the property line. My county has the largest concentration of limestone deposits in the country. Fences go in wherever they can go around the rock breaks.When I had a fencing crew out last year, we discovered that the neighbors in the back have a lot of stuff (wood pile, etc.) sitting on my property. He probably didn't know any better - the old fence left from the dairy farm days is about 40 feet off the line.

There's an opening in the other fence line to the neighboring horse farm because they used to board horses here & ride across. I've never bothered with it because I'm going to run hot wire for the hogs up there. They're respectful and have never used the opening since I've owned the farm. I'm not clear on why you're so bothered at the opening if you won't have animals. If it were established it was in fact my fence, I'd fix it myself in the interest of not being the jerky neighbor. I'm not great at fencing, but even I could manage a 20 foot section of barbed wire in under an hour. Probably only needs one T post pounded.

Around here the Seller don't have to have a place surveyed. We bought a Farm from a Member of this Forum. It was unfenced, I went through the brush with Compass and Tape, marked my lines.

Neighbor didn't live on his property, seen I had fencing material, had a Survey Company come investigate. He come out, I explained I didn't have enough for Legal Survey, got Fencing Material what do I do? Put it up hope for the Best. This is what I did.

Couple years later the neighbor had his place surveyed, come told me my Fence was off. I told him I didn't figure it was off by much. I know he had to be laughing under his breath. It was off 10 feet in his favor. I told him before I had backed it off some. The way I figured not Bad considering what I was working with, going over Hills and Hollers.

Now I have a pretty Good GPS, some say they are not accurate but I have found this one to be very.

The place we have now has been Legally Surveyed 3 times, thing is after first survey nobody paid any attention to it. They got upset because I made it clear it was my property your not using it.

big rockpile

AmericanStand · #50 12/12/14, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by homebody

So why are we looking at a place with 10+ acres? Because we have endured living here in MO with people so close on one side that we can hear their normal conversations when they are in their yard. Need some distance on all 4 sides - I don't want to hear anyones business and would have to wear earplugs when in my yard to not hear it. After 16 years, I'm sick of it and want some peace and quiet. .

Ummm

The place isn't big enough for what you want!
SPECIALLY IF YOU TICK OF THE NEIGHBOR !!!!

CraterCove · #51 12/12/14, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanStand

Ummm

The place isn't big enough for what you want!
SPECIALLY IF YOU TICK OF THE NEIGHBOR !!!!

Yeah... Um we have lived on up to 80 acres and you can still hear hooting and hollering and shooting. No such thing as silence for long. Better to just determine you don't care.

||Downhome|| · #52 12/13/14, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanStand

Ummm

The place isn't big enough for what you want!
SPECIALLY IF YOU TICK OF THE NEIGHBOR !!!!

Yup, you are not kidding either, ask the Neighbor that picked a fight with me! lol

Kept trying to encroach on my Mom's property, even though it was explained and shown to him numerous times.

One day he was out clearing the front, shes got trees down there and after going through the rigamarow with the jack wagon, just wanted to make sure he kept the clearing on his side.

Went down with a roll of twine, hooked it to the post and ran it tight to the back post.

Set him right off which tells me had we not had a eye on him he would of been ever so helpful and cleared moms side as well!

He said some heated words turned walked away and as he was doing that, said "anytime,anywhere".

To which I responded "Thats funny cause I'm right here,right now"

He comes marching over, got my Mom a little freaked out, running his mouth.

Guys 20 years my senior, I'm not gonna fight him, I could seriously hurt him.

I just told him "you don't want to do that", his response "I got nothing to loose" my reply "you might be surprised"

If he had insisted, I would of defended myself.

Well he backed off, but the whole buisness left a bad taste in my mouth and the same for the bad mouthing he gave me talking with other neighbors, none of us like this guy mind you.

Came across a PA system for a vehicle at a garage sale, guy was a volunteer fire fighter.

Lets just say best 10 bucks I ever spent.

I have yet to hear anything out jack wagon.

I think he realized he did have something to loose!

Can hear that thing for a Country mile. LOL

wogglebug · #53 12/14/14, 09:44 PM

The easy way to fill a gap in a fence is to put a gate in it. Not a big expensive fancy gate swinging on big fence posts, but just a length of fence, mesh or wires. Have two or three T-posts loosely wired to the fence material in the middle and one on the opening end, standing held up by the fence material and vise versa. The end T-post slips into a loop of wire around the bottom of a real (anchored in the ground) fence post, and has another loop of wire at the top of the real fence post which drops over the top of the loose T-post on the opening end of the gate. Maybe, to add strength if the end fence posts of the fence are T-posts, you could drive an extra T-post each end of the opening, side-by-side with the existing ones, and tie them together with wire.

If that jerry-built fence is pulled back and left open, it can look like a discarded piece of fencing. Not at all obvious anyway, and more so if there's some weeds grown up through it. Sure you don't have that, at one end of the opening?

If not, it can be the easy way to close the opening but leave a gate so there's no hard feelings, and if there's a good reason for an opening occasionally then you can "opening" it for a while, then close it again later.