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12/11/14, 07:09 AM
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Best solution so far
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Originally Posted by Muleman
Honestly we do not have enough information to make an accurate assessment of what is best for you to do. I do not know if you are buying from an individual or a real estate office? Here is what I would do if it were me. I would go out and look around the property and make it a point to "Run into" the potential neighbors. I would come across as friendly, but inquisitive. The worst thing some one wants is to have a know it all move in next to them. I would come across as genuinely excited to finally get a nice place with a pasture. I would mention how you and your husband are thinking you would like to have a horse or a few cows and how you guess you will have to do a little fence mending as you noticed the fence was missing in a few places. That should lead into some informative conversation. Ask about some local history. people normally like to tell of how long they have lived somewhere, especially to new people as they think it will establish them as having a little more right to the area. They may also be more than willing to tell you a bit about the place. Be appreciative of the information. Find out who built the fence. " me and my husband were talking about how much fence would cost, but really do know what a fence like that one there would cost to build? if they built the fence, they will tell you so at that point, more than likely.
lastly Choose your battles carefully. If after meeting them they seem confrontational or like the fence will cause a problem, ask yourself if the property really means that much to you to live next to a neighbor where you may have a bad relationship. It may or may not be worth it to you. Just don't make it into a " By God I am going to show them" kinda deal, not going to be good for nobody.
I definitely agree in finding the legal boundaries, before the purchase. if the fence has been there a while, it may be the legal boundary, whether it is on the line or not!
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It is a fsbo, owner has already moved out and is 80 miles away.
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12/11/14, 07:12 AM
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You don't know us
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Originally Posted by am1too
For 20 ft of fence you would bother the neighbors. You do not have enough money to buy the place anyway.
When the oil boys came through with their big lawnmowers that could mow a 30 ft tree in minutes broke a fence post, he wanted to sue them for a measly $15 dollars. My neighbor is a complete jerk.
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How do you justify stating that we don't have the money to buy the property when you don't know ANYTHING about us? Rude and presumptuous.
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12/11/14, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by homebody
How do you justify stating that we don't have the money to buy the property when you don't know ANYTHING about us? Rude and presumptuous.
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Not at all. If you do not have the money to fix the fence you do not have enough money to buy the property. The most expensive way to repair the gap in the fence is $200 or less. If the issue is not money you are picking a fight. I would not want you as a neighbor. If it is on the property line, fix the fence and listen to DH. IMHO and experience he is correct. If you will not do this you should not buy the property. Especially since it is a fsbo property get a survey prior to buying.
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12/11/14, 09:29 AM
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I have a nasty neighbor. It will be cheaper and more reasonable for me to build a fence next to his which is more or less on the property line than to hassle/ruffle his feathers in any kind of way. And yes I personally feel as though his is trying to hassle me by trying to get me to sell out to him.
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12/11/14, 09:54 AM
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Actually we do know you. From what you have written.
You are city folk.
I would want to know the neighbors they either make life good or bad
20 ft of fence is 30 minutes
You failed to mention which way the T posts are faceing is it your fence or his.
My neighbor had a gate to access our property to bale. When we bought it he came to take the gate out. I told him it could stay but he wanted it out. So I helped him fence it in and found out a lot of history about our place. Even though he lost some acreage to bail He and I both gained a friend.
You are moving into the area the area is not going to change the question to ask before you buy is can you??
When you do meet the neighbors no statments just ask questions
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12/11/14, 10:25 AM
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So laughable. We are city folks because we don't want the opening in the fence to stay. Oh, and we can't afford to buy the property because we don't want to spend money to close the opening that we didn't make. Assume whatever you want, idc.
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12/11/14, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveO
You failed to mention which way the T posts are faceing is it your fence or his.
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Thread drift.....
What difference does it make which way the posts face? I put wire on the inside of fence posts if there is livestock, that way they push against the whole post and not just the little fasteners that hold the wire to the fence. No livestock, I put the wire on whichever side I will be mowing, so I have a neat edge to deal with.
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12/11/14, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveO
Actually we do know you. From what you have written.
You are city folk.
I would want to know the neighbors they either make life good or bad
20 ft of fence is 30 minutes
You failed to mention which way the T posts are faceing is it your fence or his.
My neighbor had a gate to access our property to bale. When we bought it he came to take the gate out. I told him it could stay but he wanted it out. So I helped him fence it in and found out a lot of history about our place. Even though he lost some acreage to bail He and I both gained a friend.
You are moving into the area the area is not going to change the question to ask before you buy is can you??
When you do meet the neighbors no statments just ask questions

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My know it all and you are wrong long time country boy neighbor put his fence on the wrong side of the post which he drove in backwards.
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12/11/14, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by homebody
So laughable. We are city folks because we don't want the opening in the fence to stay. Oh, and we can't afford to buy the property because we don't want to spend money to close the opening that we didn't make. Assume whatever you want, idc.
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Wud cun 1 say.
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12/11/14, 01:48 PM
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I would say find out who's fence it is,
and if it is a joint owned or maintained fence, then put it back up your self,
if not the fence owner, then put up your own fence, (most likely the 10+ acres is the owner of the fence).
just make sure they can not claim an easement by the current owners not objecting to there trespass,
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12/11/14, 02:23 PM
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Wasn't it George Washington that said - fences make good neighbors - or something like that -
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12/11/14, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by homebody
So laughable. We are city folks because we don't want the opening in the fence to stay. Oh, and we can't afford to buy the property because we don't want to spend money to close the opening that we didn't make. Assume whatever you want, idc.
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I think some are making some unfair assumptions, but they are drawing those conclusions based on the way that you think this situation should be handled. In fairness, it does come off a little like the "everything that happens to me is someone else's fault" mentality.
This situation is minor and simple to fix, without poisoning the well with your potential neighbors. Bear in mind, you don't even own this property yet, and you're looking for advice on how to order the neighbors to fix the fence.
Find out who's property the fence is on. If it is on the neighbors', sorry, it's their prerogative. If it is on the property that you're looking to buy, ask the seller if they will fix it, or, better yet, take $50 and 30 minutes and fix it when you move in.
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12/11/14, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by homebody
How do you justify stating that we don't have the money to buy the property when you don't know ANYTHING about us? Rude and presumptuous.
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I know it is so easy to pile up on someone, and put them in a defensive corner. My comments above, and others, are so.
We get such little info, and such little space and time to write cold black and white messages in forums like this.....
From your message, it seems you want to buy a new place and move into a community.
Doing so takes a little effort on your part. And a new property is never 'perfect', they need a little work, a little flex on your part.
I understand you have a fence openning, and you would like to no have that openning.
From what we know, it sure seems rude of you to be demanding the neighbor fix the problem. From what you wrote, it seems you don't like or respect the fella living next door, and you are going to make demands of him before you even own the property, without even talking to him yet.
That is how you have presented your case here.
If it were me, I would want to meet the neighbor, smile and chat with him, have a conversation.
As others have said, mention the fence in passing after a bit, no demands or accusations - just mention in passing. Sometimes there is more to a story, and perhaps the owner of your property actually caused the openning in the
Cultivate a 20 year relationship with a new neighbor.
From what you wrote, it sounds like you want to March over to his door, bash on it until he opens it, and demand the bum fix up the fence to your standards. And right now.
If that is -not- what you meant to say, how about we all start over, and what is it you are trying to accomplish?
Myself, I would like to slide into a community and meet people half way. If I wanted a line fence openning closed, I would assume it is my responsibility to make that change. I would not move onto a community and make such demands of new neighbors right off the bat.
One gets a reputation pretty quick that way.
My priority would be to get along with neighbors and community that I can, and to do the work that needs done on my dime to make my property the way I want it. The way you presented your case so far, it appears you will demand a lot of neighbors, and might be a tad rude about it. But - that is, again, the black and white nature of these forums, and yes I am assuming a lot with that presumption.
It all depends what you meant, in this black and white forum way of communication?
I wish you the best in your property hunt and likely new place, hope it makes a nice home and good community for you. And years of shelter, home, and good work.
Paul
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12/11/14, 03:09 PM
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<meh> an opening like that could be a way to keep deer from getting tangled up in a fence that isn't currently used for stock. Who knows why the opening is there. They could have a son or daughter 18 feet wide.
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12/11/14, 04:34 PM
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Sometimes, new owners worry about little details when they buy rural property.
Without looking at the land, it's hard to say why the opening exists but it could be for many reasons. It might be a good idea to talk to the neighbor and see if there is a valid reason for the opening and if it would be possible to close the opening, if it is going to interfere with your own livestock.
Did you check the opening and verify that the gate isn't just folded back and propped up so it doesn't get run by equipment or livestock and you really should have a proper survey done as well. You'll look pretty silly if you go over to tell a neighbor how he's going to build/fix his fence if it's on his property.
Ultimately, a 20' opening is a great place to start learning about fencing and the supplies will be fairly inexpensive and if you need it repaired, the learning curve is way less steep to make beginner fencing mistakes on 20' rather than a full perimeter fence and with any luck at all, the neighbor is a nice person, who will help and help you to learn a valuable skill.
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12/11/14, 07:43 PM
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Sort it prior to purchase.
Or if you are bringing livestock, fence it and bring the animals in immediately. Nobodies going to think you're a jerk if you need a fence for your ventures. Small town people (and surely city people just the same) can get weird about these things, but if you need a fence you need a fence and nobodies going to be happy if your sheep are on their property.
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12/11/14, 11:25 PM
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You need to find out WHO put the fence up and who's property it is on.
If the neighbor is the one who put the fence up, he owns the fence - unless it is on your property. If it's on the property line - you still need to know WHO put the fence up.
If the current owner (or previous owner) put the fence up, and it is on YOUR property - you don't need to say a thing.
That is the thing about fences - just because a fence is up between you and your neighbor's doesn't mean you can use it. If the neighbor put the fence up, apparently they wanted an opening in it. If the current owner or previous owner put it up - and it is on your property - you can do whatever you want with it - tear it down, fence the opening, put tinsel and Christmas lights on it!
About the only time a fence can truly be shared is if both property owners own animals and if the owner who put up the fence agrees to you sharing it. You wouldn't like it if you put up a fence and your neighbor decided to add on to it and put bison in. Those bison would have your fence demolished in no time.
If you have animals - you need to put up a fence to keep the animals ON your property. If your neighbor has animals, they need to have a fence to keep their animals OFF your property.
Before going around and causing problems before you have been there a month - you need to find out WHO put up the fence and WHO'S property it is on. Even if your current owner or previous owner put up the fence and your neighbor tore out the opening, you should meet the neighbor and let them know that you plan on having dogs / cattle / horses / goats / whatever - in the near future and you will be closing the opening so your animals don't wander onto their property. Perhaps the reason for the opening will be explained then. But regardless of what they say - if YOU own the property and it is ON your property and the neighbor didn't put it up, you can do with it whatever you want.
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12/11/14, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rambler
I know it is so easy to pile up on someone, and put them in a defensive corner. My comments above, and others, are so.
We get such little info, and such little space and time to write cold black and white messages in forums like this.....
From your message, it seems you want to buy a new place and move into a community.
Doing so takes a little effort on your part. And a new property is never 'perfect', they need a little work, a little flex on your part.
I understand you have a fence openning, and you would like to no have that openning.
From what we know, it sure seems rude of you to be demanding the neighbor fix the problem. From what you wrote, it seems you don't like or respect the fella living next door, and you are going to make demands of him before you even own the property, without even talking to him yet.
That is how you have presented your case here.
If it were me, I would want to meet the neighbor, smile and chat with him, have a conversation.
As others have said, mention the fence in passing after a bit, no demands or accusations - just mention in passing. Sometimes there is more to a story, and perhaps the owner of your property actually caused the openning in the
Cultivate a 20 year relationship with a new neighbor.
From what you wrote, it sounds like you want to March over to his door, bash on it until he opens it, and demand the bum fix up the fence to your standards. And right now.
If that is -not- what you meant to say, how about we all start over, and what is it you are trying to accomplish?
Myself, I would like to slide into a community and meet people half way. If I wanted a line fence openning closed, I would assume it is my responsibility to make that change. I would not move onto a community and make such demands of new neighbors right off the bat.
One gets a reputation pretty quick that way.
My priority would be to get along with neighbors and community that I can, and to do the work that needs done on my dime to make my property the way I want it. The way you presented your case so far, it appears you will demand a lot of neighbors, and might be a tad rude about it. But - that is, again, the black and white nature of these forums, and yes I am assuming a lot with that presumption.
It all depends what you meant, in this black and white forum way of communication?
I wish you the best in your property hunt and likely new place, hope it makes a nice home and good community for you. And years of shelter, home, and good work.
Paul
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Personally I think she is looking for ammo to prove she is right and DH is wrong.
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12/11/14, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Harry Chickpea
<meh> an opening like that could be a way to keep deer from getting tangled up in a fence that isn't currently used for stock. Who knows why the opening is there. They could have a son or daughter 18 feet wide.
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The rest of the fence must be truly awesome and above average for that region. A deer tangled up in a farm fence. Now that is good.
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12/11/14, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael W. Smith
You need to find out WHO put the fence up and who's property it is on.
If the neighbor is the one who put the fence up, he owns the fence - unless it is on your property. If it's on the property line - you still need to know WHO put the fence up.
If the current owner (or previous owner) put the fence up, and it is on YOUR property - you don't need to say a thing.
That is the thing about fences - just because a fence is up between you and your neighbor's doesn't mean you can use it. If the neighbor put the fence up, apparently they wanted an opening in it. If the current owner or previous owner put it up - and it is on your property - you can do whatever you want with it - tear it down, fence the opening, put tinsel and Christmas lights on it!
About the only time a fence can truly be shared is if both property owners own animals and if the owner who put up the fence agrees to you sharing it. You wouldn't like it if you put up a fence and your neighbor decided to add on to it and put bison in. Those bison would have your fence demolished in no time.
If you have animals - you need to put up a fence to keep the animals ON your property. If your neighbor has animals, they need to have a fence to keep their animals OFF your property.
Before going around and causing problems before you have been there a month - you need to find out WHO put up the fence and WHO'S property it is on. Even if your current owner or previous owner put up the fence and your neighbor tore out the opening, you should meet the neighbor and let them know that you plan on having dogs / cattle / horses / goats / whatever - in the near future and you will be closing the opening so your animals don't wander onto their property. Perhaps the reason for the opening will be explained then. But regardless of what they say - if YOU own the property and it is ON your property and the neighbor didn't put it up, you can do with it whatever you want.
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I do not think anyone has mentioned asking the current owner about the fence. I think that would really be the best place to start asking questions.
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