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12/02/14, 05:43 PM
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This whole fiasco was/is quite a wake up call. My older brothers have HB, but are heavy smokers and poor eaters, so I thought I would be good.
Another thing to consider, I'm a typical male, I hate seeing the doctor. I'm pretty sure that train of thought will change fast for me, now. I was talking with a customer today, he's 52 and has been on BP meds for 10 yrs now. He gave me the the heads up on the medicine also, some will make you feel horrid. So, it might take some time to find the right one.
I feel 30% better today, and I have a appointment tomorrow afternoon.
I have gotten to know this doctor pretty good the last few years, I hope he don't reprimand me to bad.
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12/02/14, 05:48 PM
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Blood Pressure meds will keep you alive.
Sorry, but its dumb not to take them. High blood pressure causes so many bad things to happen in your body and will eventually kill you.
Just a warning it may take time for you and your doctor to find the right medication, watch for side effects and talk with your doctor if any crop up.
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12/02/14, 06:52 PM
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My father couldn't take blood pressure medications, everyone had a side effect till he got a patch to put on his skin, then it worked fine. I saw lisinopril mentioned above, it is a vascular dilator, opens up the vessels to allow the blood to flow more freely.
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12/02/14, 07:42 PM
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Blue and purple fruits help reduce blood pressure. Drinking a small amount of muscadine grape juice will bring mine down. My doctor actually told me to get grape seed capsules. I did and they seem to work. (I take Nature's Pearl because that is what the doctor recommended. They seem to work.) Exercise is your friend along with lots of vegetables, preferably fresh. Google things that help your heart and make your diet heavy on them.
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12/02/14, 10:48 PM
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I used to keep a spice bottle of cinnamon and individual servings of applesauce in my desk when I was a team leader, and whenever a nurse had forgotten or not taken for whatever reasons his or her B/P meds they would come to me for a heaping spoonful of sugar stirred into applesauce. It will drop your B/P 10 points in 10 minutes- even to keep you going till you can get home home and take your missed medication. Cinnamon when taken regularly also reduces blood sugar and triglycerides.
If your BP meds aren't working you may need more calcium or magnesium - I worked with a gal whose BP didn't respond at ALL to any meds. She asked me (as the Hospice's Teaching Nurse) what she could do to lower her BP and knowing that she boasted that she hadn't drunk milk since she left her parent's home 35 years ago, I suggested she add calcium and magnesium tablets to her daily diet. When she did so, her BP plummeted and her doctor cut the dose in half.
Cornsilk will also lower BP but you need to dry it before chopping into capsule shells, or making tea. It's not potassium sparing so you need to eat bananas, or drink orange juice or freeze dried coffee.
Long term use of non steroidal anti inflammatories such as aspirin, aleve, or advil can damage the kidneys, resulting in high blood pressure. This is probably at least one of the factors behind MY high blood pressure. Also be aware that taking NSAIDs can reduce Lisinopril's effectiveness.
Metoprolol caused 3 weeks of insomnia and almost killed me since I was blanking out in microsleeps lasting up to 5 seconds- not good when you are driving up to 250 miles a week for your job! If you have a distressing side effect from your medicine don't let the Doctor tell you to take it anyway, like some will do- I finally fired mine and went to a doctor that listened to me- put me on Lisinopril instead- took a few days off from work and slept fr almost 72 hours straight.
Good luck with keeping yours under control!
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12/02/14, 11:21 PM
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I haven't been here long but after a lot of reading, I'm certainly seeing a pattern. Actually, its not what I see, its what I don't see.
So I have to ask the following question:
Do non-supporting forum members here get into trouble for debunking the claims of those who are forum supporters?
I'd like to walk where the ice is nice and thick and avoid those thin spots.
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12/03/14, 06:43 AM
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I think we have mine pretty well under control now. I 'd had an episode in last April, with a couple of heart attacks. I spent a few days in the hospital and 12 or 14 weeks in therapy.
I am on heart meds and BP meds. I had to change a couple of my favorite eating habits a bit. I Love Ice Cream. I'd eat it every day if I could.
I do go for long walks out in the hills around our little Place for exercise.
We live in a 2 story house. And I'm up & down those stairs quickly, on the days when I do the laundry. I'm retired and Dear Sweet Wife is not, because she's younger. She goes to work 5 days a week and I help out be doing a lot of the housework. I get the exercise I need And she appreciates the Help.
It all works out pretty well for us.
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12/03/14, 07:18 AM
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I lowered my BP from 144 over 97 to 120 over 70 by eating Bacon.
Well not exactly but going full keto (fat based diet vs carb based) was the key to weight loss and a quick blood pressure fix. Within a month my blood pressure fell 15 points... I'm down 45 pounds and maintaining it for more than a year.
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12/03/14, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by claytonpiano
Blue and purple fruits help reduce blood pressure. Drinking a small amount of muscadine grape juice will bring mine down. My doctor actually told me to get grape seed capsules. I did and they seem to work. (I take Nature's Pearl because that is what the doctor recommended. They seem to work.) Exercise is your friend along with lots of vegetables, preferably fresh. Google things that help your heart and make your diet heavy on them.
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Fruits..., AKA fruit sugar, AKA fructose is the cause of metabolic syndrome in the majority of the population. Suggesting eating more fructose is crazy.
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12/03/14, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Grandmotherbear
I used to keep a spice bottle of cinnamon and individual servings of applesauce in my desk when I was a team leader, and whenever a nurse had forgotten or not taken for whatever reasons his or her B/P meds they would come to me for a heaping spoonful of sugar stirred into applesauce. It will drop your B/P 10 points in 10 minutes- even to keep you going till you can get home home and take your missed medication.
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Sounds like these people are hypoglycemic from chronically elevated blood glucose levels.
A blood test strip at these times will likely reveal the issue.
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12/03/14, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Crisste
So I have to ask the following question:
Do non-supporting forum members here get into trouble for debunking the claims of those who are forum supporters? D
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No, they are put before a firing squad.
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12/03/14, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by stanb999
I lowered my BP from 144 over 97 to 120 over 70 by eating Bacon.
Well not exactly but going full keto (fat based diet vs carb based) was the key to weight loss and a quick blood pressure fix. Within a month my blood pressure fell 15 points... I'm down 45 pounds and maintaining it for more than a year. 
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Its not actually because you went from carbs to fat, its because in your attempt to eliminate the carbs, you cut the sugar (fructose) and that's what did it.
The traditional Japanese diet of all carbs, no fat works.
The Atkins diet of all fat no carbs also works.
What the two diets have in common is the elimination of sugar.
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12/03/14, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Crisste
Its not actually because you went from carbs to fat, its because in your attempt to eliminate the carbs, you cut the sugar (fructose) and that's what did it.
The traditional Japanese diet of all carbs, no fat works.
The Atkins diet of all fat no carbs also works.
What the two diets have in common is the elimination of sugar.
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The traditional diet of the Japanese was based on malnutrition and privation. They were short, thin, with a slight build.
Google it up.
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12/03/14, 11:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crisste
I haven't been here long but after a lot of reading, I'm certainly seeing a pattern. Actually, its not what I see, its what I don't see.
So I have to ask the following question:
Do non-supporting forum members here get into trouble for debunking the claims of those who are forum supporters?
I'd like to walk where the ice is nice and thick and avoid those thin spots. 
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Forum Supporters are those that pay to use the site.
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12/03/14, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fixitguy
My blood pressure has always been high, but manageable.
Well, about a month ago, I woke up with a nice lil headache. I got some meds, and took them for three days.
Last night she jumped again, Now I will be taking them everyday. No more playing around with this stuff, I'm only 42
Question, Is there anything I can do to help the situation out?
1. I don't smoke
2. Don't do fast food much
3. No added salt on food.
I do drink to much beer, and stress out on things (I'm self employed)
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Invest in a blood pressure monitor for at home and monitor your weight. If you have fat or muscular upper arms be sure to buy one that comes with the large cuff.
Lose any excess weight. Exercise. Get enough sleep.
Cut out any added salt and read labels when buying prepared foods. The quantity of salt in things like canned soups is just outrageous.
Practice meditation and other de-stressing exercises.
Of course the best thing that you can do is to quit smoking. Not easy I know. Also limiting alcohol quite dramatically. I still miss my wine.
And most importantly - take your meds as prescribed and on time.
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12/03/14, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Crisste
I haven't been here long but after a lot of reading, I'm certainly seeing a pattern. Actually, its not what I see, its what I don't see.
So I have to ask the following question:
Do non-supporting forum members here get into trouble for debunking the claims of those who are forum supporters?
I'd like to walk where the ice is nice and thick and avoid those thin spots. 
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Your opinions and debunkings are welcome, not that we all may listen to you. What I have found is that people's bodies are different,and what works for one doesn't always work for another. For example I have Crohn's disease, and the doctors have a bag of medical tricks they use. When all those tricks don't work for me, I ended up suggesting treatments to them to try, not that those worked either. Then I noticed I craved peppermint so I ate strong peppermint candy like I'd never get it again. Finally when buying wine for my wife I spotted the peppermint schnapps, by the time I finished that bottle a couple of weeks later I had improved. With several more experiments, there was a direct correlation between the schnapps and improvement. What worked for me didn't work for my daughter. She found green tea to be of big benefit to her when all the tricks in the doctor's bag did nothing for her. So we all put up ideas on the forum, some will help one, some will help another, some are just bull, but it up to each to figure that out for themselves. I truly don't trust the pharmaceutical industry much. I just learned that they have been given permission to use tumor cells to develop vaccines, and no, they can't guarantee that these vaccines will be cancer free, they claim it may take a decade to find out. After all they say "it is a brave new world." It is easy to be brave when your not getting the trial vaccine. So feel free to post, express your opinion, and accept that not everyone will agree, but if you help just one person with your post then it was worth it.
Last edited by BlackFeather; 12/03/14 at 12:39 PM.
Reason: massive run on sentence.
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12/03/14, 01:28 PM
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Your opinions and debunkings are welcome, not that we all may listen to you. What I have found is that people's bodies are different,and what works for one doesn't always work for another. For example I have Crohn's disease, and the doctors have a bag of medical tricks they use. When all those tricks don't work for me, I ended up suggesting treatments to them to try, not that those worked either. Then I noticed I craved peppermint so I ate strong peppermint candy like I'd never get it again. Finally when buying wine for my wife I spotted the peppermint schnapps, by the time I finished that bottle a couple of weeks later I had improved. With several more experiments, there was a direct correlation between the schnapps and improvement. What worked for me didn't work for my daughter. She found green tea to be of big benefit to her when all the tricks in the doctor's bag did nothing for her. So we all put up ideas on the forum, some will help one, some will help another, some are just bull, but it up to each to figure that out for themselves. I truly don't trust the pharmaceutical industry much. I just learned that they have been given permission to use tumor cells to develop vaccines, and no, they can't guarantee that these vaccines will be cancer free, they claim it may take a decade to find out. After all they say "it is a brave new world." It is easy to be brave when your not getting the trial vaccine. So feel free to post, express your opinion, and accept that not everyone will agree, but if you help just one person with your post then it was worth it.
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When it comes to fructose, everyone is the same. Fructose is bad for you, its a toxic poison with chronic effects. Ingesting fructose outside of the realm of eating the entire raw fruit is bad for everyone. Not just me or the guy down the road, but everyone.
What you are describing is a different issue. While people frequently respond differently to different medications, we all get sick when we ingest too much arsenic, and we all get drunk if we ingest too much alcohol.
The fructose argument does not fall within the physiological issues you have mentioned.
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12/03/14, 03:02 PM
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Here we go again.
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Link between diabetes and high-fructose corn syrup debunked
Posted on November 28, 2012 by admin
Activists are yet again trying to demonize high-fructose corn syrup, this time with a new study that purports to find a higher prevalence of diabetes in countries whose populations seemingly consume more of the sweetener than other countries. The study found that the rate of type 2 diabetes was 20 percent higher in those countries where HFCS was used commonly. This comes on the heels of the expanding use of HFCS in products such as sodas, breakfast cereals and baked goods.
However, ACSH’s Dr. Ruth Kava points out a few serious flaws in the study. “This is an ecological (population-wide) study which has nothing to do with looking at individuals — it does not assess individuals’ food consumption. Rather, it is based on food disappearance data, which is an uncertain index of what people actually consume, as it does not differentiate between what was eaten and what was thrown away.” She also says that it has been shown that even in countries that use little or no HFCS, the rates of obesity and type 2 diabetes have increased. In fact, those countries with the highest rates of diabetes, Egypt and Malaysia, have low consumption of HFCS.
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http://acsh.org/2012/11/link-between...yrup-debunked/
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12/03/14, 04:19 PM
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That's because whole grain, refined sugar, fruit, and soda pop all have the same carbs.
Your quibbling the difference in alcohol contained in grain liquor and a fine sherry. The liver see's them as the same.
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12/03/14, 05:04 PM
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Actually, the study is somewhat correct albeit a bit misleading and out of context as it pertains to our discussion.
Notice that the study didn't say "Sugar". They said "High Fructose Corn Syrup".
So, an obese person or diebetic who buys products listed as "No HFCS" would, in the context of that study, not count.
The problem? Most people don't realize that there is no fundamental or chemical difference between table sugar and HFCS. NONE.
You might say "Well, table sugar is sucrose not fructose". And that would be incorrect. Table sugar or common sugar is called sucrose and is made of one molecule of glucose (good), and one equal molecule of fructose (bad). Your stomach contains an enzyme called sucrase that breaks the bond between the glucose and the fructose molecules almost instantaneously.
So, in short, eating table sugar or eating HFCS is the same. There is no difference, that is, unless you're publishing a flawed and misleading study in some wacky attempt to cause financial harm to the HFCS makers.
Let me repeat this again. Get on youtube and watch Robert Lustig "Sugar, The Bitter Truth"
There's no sales pitch. No products touted or displayed for purchase, no recommendations, nothing! Just hard science from Dr. Lustig who is a researcher at the University of California San Francisco.
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