If you farm wheat commercially

I just want to say just because it is labeled organic or Joe at the farmer's market says it's organic, doesn't mean it's organic. You are taking someone's word for it. I have seen people at our local market buying cases of strawberries from Kroger & then going to the market after they re-packed them & selling them as local, organic strawberries.

I also want to point out, that no matter what you eat, what you do, or how you live, you will not live one day more than God has planned for you.

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I avoid anything labeled "organic" as much as I avoid chemical fertilizers and pesticides. In fact, since I try raise or grow as much of my families' food as possible so that I know precisely how it was raised... I shun anything that is "officially labeled organic". I've been to enough organic farms that had mangy livestock in dark, dank barns standing up to their hocks in their own manure to know that this isn't any healthier than pasture raised animals where triple 15 was applied to the forage to increase yields. I avoid both of these practices personally, but to each his own.

BTW, I get my raw milk from an organic dairy down the road. I don't buy from him because he's "certified organic"...but because I've been to his operation and it meets my standards.

I also do not eat wheat...any wheat. I'm not a celiac, but I am sensitive to it, and my health improved when I stopped eating it. IMO (as well as the opinion of many doctors), the overall health of society would improve if we ate more animal protein and fats and ate far less grains and processed carbohydrates, simple sugars, and most refined plant oils.

So, if you get your panties in a bunch over how something is grown you have some choices: Don't consume it, buy it from someone who IS producing it how you like, or grow it yourself. Period.

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That is illegal, and if you see someone doing that you should report it to the market manager AND the agency that certifies that farm.

AND, just another reminder to buyers to make sure they say "certified organic" so you know they are actually being inspected and not just claiming they are organic.

Hardly.

http://www.foodrenegade.com/hybrid-seeds-vs-gmos/

If it were really tears I'm betting you guys would have run me off by now. And your idea of "wrong" is different than those who know we will look back on glyphosate and realize DDT was nothing more than mouthwash.

The comment is directed towards the folks who message me privately and offer support and encouragement. The ones who state they agree 100% with me but have no interest in the harassment the steadfast crew delivers. The ones who want the information, want to know what's in their food and what is going into the their bodies.

If your have all these people wanting the "information" you post, maybe you should blog somewhere else and really do some research. Reporting things that are not true doesn't help anyone.

We asked our wheat farmer friend about using Round up on wheat before harvest. He has 2400 acres of wheat or so and fallows his fields every other year, meaning he has over 5000 acres. He grows seed wheat and grain. He said that the only ones that would believe Round up would make wheat produce more seeds when you use it after it starts to turn (spraying it green will kill it) were people that also voted for obama a second time. It does not make sense. Plants do not suddenly grow more seeds just before they die, when their seeds are ripe. It doesn't work that way.

I thought most of what's been said about DDT was proven to be false and manipulations?

http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C06/C...icals/ddt.html

NOT hardly:

Spelt, also known as dinkel wheat,[2] or hulled wheat,[2] is a species of wheat cultivated since 5000 BCE. Spelt was an important staple in parts of Europe from the Bronze Age to medieval times; it now survives as a relict crop in Central Europe and northern Spain and has found a new market as a health food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt

It's as ancient as the original emmer or einkorn wheat. Certainly naturally hybridized wayyy before there was a western civilization.

A basic entry level community college course on biology/genetics would probably spare you these senseless duels. I appreciate how you wish to live your life, but you discredit yourself when you make baseless claims.

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'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.

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Thing is, we have assured you your information was faulty, and very little to no glyphosate would be in your food, or anyone else's food or bodies. You asked, we answered. I don't get it.

I really don't get it.

Growing spelt organically...

http://www.heirloom-organics.com/gui...wingspelt.html

Most of the nation's spelt acreage is in Ohio. That state grows between 100,000 and 200,000 acres of spelt annually, about 10 times more than any other state. A few varieties of spelt were developed in the early part of this century. They are no longer identifiable, and spelt has been considered an undeveloped crop. In 1986, The Ohio State University released an improved winter variety, named 'Champ'.

So there ya go..a brief primer on how to grow spelt organically.

Jeez y'all sure do fuss a lot here lately and it isn't even WINTER yet.

I do not think the world's farmers are out to poison all of us, but I do think they might be encouraged to cut down on the chemical aspects of their farming. However..

that said:

instead of fighting about it all, how about those who are doing the organic thing (ELKHOUND WHERE ARE YOU????) help Farmer Dale figure out how to grow wheat or spelt organically?

You can't change farmers by fighting with them, they have to make a living and feed their horses but you can offer HELP and FACTS for growing organically.

What you want to do is figure out how to translate an acre of organics into 400 acres..whew..you need a bigger team FarmerDale

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Hybrid is not the same thing as GMO.

farmerDale "Just did a bit of research, and it appears Spelt is a hybrid."

Yvonne's hubby "Its ok though, those "genetic modifications" were made hundreds of years before the evil Monsanto was ever created. "


PrettyPaisley "Hardly."

http://www.foodrenegade.com/hybrid-seeds-vs-gmos/

Hybridization IS a form of gene modification... it happens in nature. In the case of spelt, it happened before the pyramids were built in Egypt. This dialog has nothing to do with GMOs. Your link has no relevance to this discussion.

I'm not a big fan of GMOs either...I like natural gene modifications... but you seem to read little snippets by layman "experts" without really understanding the basic biology behind these concepts and you come out of these arguments with your credibility damaged.

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'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.

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I read these threads but tend to refrain from posting anymore because have learned that the discussions are an exercise in futility and worse, often turn into thinly veiled insulting "duels" . They also spawn other threads designed to pick fights. Bottom line is nobody who is passionate about their beliefs on either side of this and many other issues (ex. raw milk) will ever change the minds of those with opposing views.

Having much more than a "basic entry level CC course on biology....", I can tell you that genetically modified and hybridization are two completely different processes. Hybridization has been going on probably since there's been more than one variety of a species.
The first GMO produced happened in the mid 1980s with the first commercial GMO food produced in the mid 90's.

It doesn't take any kind of degree to find this info, just a little online or library research.

The two processes though seem to be easily confused by many.

Ok, I'll make this as simple as I can.

The wheat seeds I plant and harvest NEVER see a drop of glyphosate, not a molecule! This applies to virtually all of the wheat grown in the USA. The practice discussed in the OP's article is used by a small, miniscule, minority of wheat growers.

I think you are probably right about this.

That is exactly my point. I am a biologist/bioorganic chemist by training so I know precisely how these processes work. Spelt was hybridized (naturally) thousands of years ago. Spelt's "gene modification" happened naturally which PP disputed.

Because a "little online research" is a dangerous thing for most. PP's whole foods guru is not an unbiased party any more than Cargill's quarterly newsletter is. Most don't understand the underlying genetic principles in which most of the arguments are based in order to detect B.S., exaggerations or half truths.

I can take honest data from ANY study and tilt it with statistics towards whomever is paying me. If a person doesn't know how to take that raw technical data and discern a trend, then the results of that study are really pretty meaningless.

There is (was?) an advertisement in the Raleigh-Durham Airport for the clinical research company Quintiles (nearby Research Triangle Park is one of the largest clinical trial facilities in the country) that brags "Lucky you! You don't have to worry about results when Quintiles handles your clinical trial...It's ALL ABOUT RESULTS". This is true in every facet of our lives: Food, phamaceuticals, car crash data, the global warming industry, etc.

My point is I agree with PP's natural foods agenda for the most part...I try to do the same thing. The differences are: 1) I don't harp about how other people raise their crops/livestock. If I don't like it, I go elsewhere or grow my own. and 2) I don't undermine my own arguments by quoting or linking bogus stories that seem to make my case.

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'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.

Friedrich August von Hayek

There is a big difference between posting a difference in opinion and posting lies about a whole industry and repeating those lies and insulting the people working in that industry. Wheat farmers have tried to explain that what is really done and are told they are wrong because someone read something on the internet that contradicts it. Hundreds of people read these comments and may believe the lies. That is wrong.

I've learned on this thread that some, likely few farmers spray their wheat so this apparently is not a lie.

As I said, I don't believe there is any middle ground for most of these highly polarized subjects. Determining whether something is a lie or not may be a long time coming so remains an opinion until proven for sure. For example, the battles for and against GMOs are still being fought in many labs and fields. It all remains very strongly held opinions and not absolute truths...or lies.

You might want to read this whole thread. It has been stated that spraying wheat with round up Right before harvest to improve yield. That it will make the wheat produce more grain as it is dying as well as using round up to help dry out the wheat. That is all over the internet as well. That is not normal procedure, it might be used in a very weedy field, or to save a crop hurt by bad weather, but that is estimated to be less than1% of the wheat according to our county agent and it is used 10days or 2 weeks before harvest.

The profit in farming is not large enough to allow spraying fields "just in case". spraying is expensive.

Molly, I have read it and this is what I said in the post right above yours so am not disputing what you just said in yours. I'm just saying that apparently there is SOME spraying as stated by a number of posters here so cannot be a complete lie.

I was surprised by the whole original topic because in all my many years, I've never seen wheat sprayed around here.

No one sprays around here either. I have never seen it done, but there does seem to be a reason to do it in rare cases.

The one that is all over the web is that is you spray round up right before harvest it will make the dying wheat suddenly grow more wheat. I'm surprised people know so little about science they believe this.