If you farm wheat commercially

So I'm just curious, PP. Now that you've heard from actual farmers who are growing wheat, do you still believe the article?

I never said I believed the article. I thinking asking for input should shed some light on the assumption I fall for everything I find on the interwebs.

That said, I've always known at some point I'd give up conventional wheat. What we consume is usually in the form of convenience products like pasta and bread from Great Harvest, but I know the grains aren't properly prepared and that I should be doing better by soaking and sprouting and making homemade bread and pastas. It was on the back burner because it's just one. more. thing. added to my to-do list. This blog post solidifies my resolve to do better - not to look for the easy way out but instead do what's right by the girls. So finding a rhythm for properly preparing grains and a recipe that won't end up as hog slop is now topping my list of things to do over the long, cold winter.

Or rent some land, and plant your own

Well you mentioned in a previous post how the author "knew her stuff", and that was not the case with this article.

She does know her stuff. I challenge you to follow her. But many people know their stuff. That doesn't mean you should stand behind them and swallow everything they say, for example, just because they grow it.

Yes but even clean grains need to be soaked and sprouted for optimum nutrition. And I'm okay with buying the environmentally devastating spelt.

Yes, which is why I was curious to see if you sided with the factually incorrect article or not.

I am not sure how obesity in children is caused by roundup? According to your article it seems to be caused by poor dietary habits combined with a sedentary lifestyle. I will agree that an overall diet change and getting out from the front of the tv would help these kids.

As to the other links.... Yeppers, there are indeed some chems with nasty sounding names in a lot of our cosmetics.... plain old soap and water isnt quite so filled with them, but according to those links provided, even these horrible sounding chems are really no significant threat. J and J pulled them out of their kiddie products for a reason.... and it had nothing to do with any real threat to anyones health... it had everything to do with misconceived notions being held by a few misinformed consumers.

Finally... I am NOT attempting to "hide" any legitimate information concerning products on the market.... What I am pushing back against is the misinformation being circulated by a handful of fear mongers. I dont blame you for this, you seem to simply be a well intentioned mother trying to do her best by her children. That is commendable by anyones standards. It seems a pity that you have been taken in by those few who seem to have a perpetual ax to grind against any company who has figured out how to succeed and be profitable. In spite of popular belief... turning an honest profit is NOT evil.... the profit motive is what provides all of us with the highest standard of living and best overall health the world has ever known.

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Round is too a pesticide. Pesticide is a name given to all herbicides, insecticides, fungicides etc. A spray technician obtains their Pesticide Applicator's license in order to spray PESTICIDES regardless of their type.

If she knows her stuff, why is she spreading lies. She could easily have found out the truth, but didn't bother. This is someone I would never believe.

I have a friend who is a chef who happens to be deaf. He went to over to Europe to compete in an International Deaf chef competition. He was the only American one. He was teased for cooking huge amounts of food and he inquired about how other people in other countries regarded their chefs and how they got trained. Their response was that they were more concerned about getting trained by a 5 star Mechlin chef. Apparently it's a huge thing and Europeans don't cook huge amounts of food. It's more about the presentation of the food and the amounts as well. Interesting.

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Presentation and flavour and quality. I find portions in Canada large but whenever I travel in the US, I'm astounded at the massive portions.

So did you want to go through the internet and dispute every. single. bit. of information? Because something tells me there is zero amount of proof that would convince you to consider copious amounts of chemicals being absorbed through the skin is not a good idea.

Did you want to answer my question? Somehow we managed to create a world full of people many, many years before J & J began killing off our kids with cancer. But yet the masses seem to think we were on the brink of extinction and dropping dead from tooth decay until chemicals stepped in to save us. The responsibility does NOT rest on my shoulders to prove to you chemicals are not harming my kids. It lies on the shoulders of the ones who profit, but since our gov't is in bed with them and doping up the general population - someone has to be vigilant. Clearly, it's not you - so I'll take care of protecting my kids and you can have our share of all those super safe modern profits. I mean conveniences.

I believe I commended you on your efforts of taking care of your kids.... I also read the articles in the links you posted, which pretty much answered the original question of what is causing some folks to believe that the kids today will not be living to the same ripe old age of our grandparents.... Obesity, which is NOT being caused by any of the other issues you seem to want us to believe. Feed your kids properly, (a well balanced diet) make sure they get some exercise and they should do ok. I am NOT an advocate of the bottom line thinking of some corporations, but then I dont jump on every anti everything bandwagon that happens to come down the pike either. common sense needs to kick in at some point.

Oh, and I cant imagine feeding my kids any brand of boxed mac and cheese.... that stuff is just plain ol nasty! My kids were not always the best behaved brats in the world.... but I dont recall any of them doing anything to rate that kind of mistreatment!

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Cancer is a far larger concern than obesity. I didn't accuse J & J of making kids fat.

I'll repeat, you'd find fault with any information I provide. I don't want praise - I want my children to live in a world where they don't have to worry about chemicals seeping into their bodies from their clothing, or chemicals being inhaled from their mattress or the couch or the car seat. I want people to get their heads out of the ground and question the propaganda instead of thumbing their noses and acting as if those who don't swallow it hook, line and sinker are foolish.

Ok, so do you have any links showing that our kids are dying at any higher rate of cancer than did our parents? The ones you brought forward seemed to be aimed at obesity as the culprit.


I have no problem with any facts you present. But as in the above, you asked me why our kids were not expected to live long lives, I asked you for links to support that theory. The links you provided blamed obesity for it.... pretty much answering your original question. Then you put up some links about J & J pulling some of their products off the market... due to "some" consumer concerns.... but also stated that the levels of "contaminants" in their products fell well below any levels that would actually cause health risks. The articles did not discuss any increase of cancer or other problems associated with those products. If you have any links to any legitimate studies that have been performed that show those connections, by all means, bring them forward.

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If you want people to question propaganda, it's reasonable to present material and allow them to consider how it may or may not affect their lives but you can't control how they receive the information you present, especially when you muddy the water with misinformation.

http://www.nrdc.org/health/kids/kids...idscancer5.asp

That's one website that suggests that children's cancer rates have risen significantly since about 1970. There are others.

I find this particular line interesting: "But many researchers feel that genetic factors and improved diagnosis fail to explain it, making environmental factors the most likely cause."

I would certainly think that a person's food intake could be a contributing factor that would fit well into the category of "environmental factors". It may not be the only one but certainly not one to be ignored either.

I don't think anyone is going to have conclusive, non-refutable evidence one way or the other. One person's studies and examples are never good enough "proof" for the person with a different opinion. I choose to try to err on the side of caution. Some will eat most anything that doesn't eat them first.

Do bear in mind that what "science" says today is not necessarily what "science" will say tomorrow. 150 years ago, DOCTORS recommended smoking. Will our great, great, great grandchildren look back and think how foolish people were thinking that GM foods and the associated chemicals were a good idea?

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For that price I just might have to stop by that way. Here in Iowa 50lb bag wheat for animals,from the feed mill, goes for $20 a bag(plus I get taxed on it because it is not considered a livestock feed).

That is interesting. And I understand your cautious attitude.

Since gmo and glyphosate did not arrive until the late 1980s, it would seem your study would say if there is a problem, it especially is not either gmo crops or glyphosate (Roundup)?

1970 would be about the time kids got a little less physical activity (TV and air conditioner and microwave uses rose?) and little more sugar processed foods, so just wild speculating would take us back to obese and lethargic?

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do this or that; I'm just saying the study you present would actually help prove gmo crops are not a contributing source, just as PP's studies also indicate something else is at the cause?

Very helpful, thanks.

Paul